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The book, "The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion", first published circa 120 years ago, is said to be a "fabricated antisemitic text", a "hoax", a "forgery". Recent research I have done leads me to believe that this is not the case and it is actually a genuine document. Long post!

2020.09.08 23:18 clemaneuverers The book, "The Protocols Of The Learned Elders Of Zion", first published circa 120 years ago, is said to be a "fabricated antisemitic text", a "hoax", a "forgery". Recent research I have done leads me to believe that this is not the case and it is actually a genuine document. Long post!

Russian edition 1912
American english edition, 1, 2
It was declared a forgery which means there was an original document somewhere.
–Eustace Mullins
First, a link to the wikipedia page for the protocols so those interested can see how much of what you're about to read is omitted from there:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
The book in which they [the Protocols] are embodied was first published in the year 1897 by Philip Stepanov for private circulation among his intimate friends. The first time Professor Sergius A. Nilus published them was in 1901 in a book called The Great Within the Small and reprinted in 1905. A copy of this is in the British Museum bearing the date of its reception, August 10, 1906.
All copies that were known to exist in Russia were destroyed in the Kerensky regime, and under his successors the possession of a copy by anyone in Soviet land was a crime sufficient to ensure the owner's of being shot on sight. (source):
The best evidence of the genuineness of the Protocols is that in March, 1917 the Bolshevik Revolution took place in Russia and one of the first things done upon the Jewish Bolsheviks taking power was to destroy all copies of Professor Sergius A. Nilus’ book, The Great Within the Small, by. That book, which was first published in Tsarskoe-Tselc (Russia) in 1901, contained The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. All copies of the Protocols that were known to exist in Russia were destroyed during the Kerensky regime. The law followed by Kerensky’s communist successors to power was that the possession of a copy of the Protocols by anyone in the Soviet Union was a crime punishable by being shot on sight
...Professor Nilus was arrested by the Cheka (Russian Secret Police) in Kiev. He was imprisoned and tortured. The Jewish president of the court, told Professor Nilus that the brutal treatment he received was as retribution for "having done them incalculable harm in publishing the Protocols."
[2011] Solving the Mystery of Babylon the Great by Edward Hendrie
The attack on the Protocols in the 1920’s proved above all else the truth of their contention; it showed that the standing organization for suppressing public discussion of the conspiracy had been perfected in the intervening 120 years . Probably so much money and energy were never before in history expended on the effort to suppress a single document.
[1956] The Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reeds
In 1865 the Jewish Rabbi RZEICHORN, made a speech in Prague. The speech was published 11 years later by Sir John Radcliff, who was assassinated shortly after its publication and it became almost extinct for years. Here are a few passages;
"With Gold one can buy the most upright consiences, with Gold one can fix the value of every stock, the price of every merchandise, one can loan it to states that afterwards one holds at ones mercy.
"Already the principle banks, the stock exchanges throughout the world, the loans to all governments are in our hands. "The other great power is the press. By ceaselessly repeating certain ideas, the press in the end makes them considered as truths. The Theatre renders similair services, every where theatre and press follow our directives. By an indefatigable campaign in favour of the democratic form of government, we will divide the Gentiles amongst themselves in political parties, we shall thus destroy the unity of their nations, we will sow the seeds of discord. Powerless they will have to accept the laws of our bank, always united, always devoted to our cause.
"The possession of land has always procured influence and power. In the name of social justice and equality, we will divide the great properties; we will give small fragments to the peasents who desire it with all their heart, But who will soon be indebted to us by the very exploitation of these properties. Our capital will enable us to be the real masters.
"Let us use all force to replace the circulation of gold by that of paper; our banks will absorb the gold, and we shall decide what then what value the paper money will have, this will make us masters of every mans existence. "We will promise to the workers salaries they have never dared to dream of, but we will also heighten the price of all necessities, so much so that our profits will be even greater.
"By our jokes and attacks we will render their priests ridiculous and eventually odius, their religion as ridiculous, as odius as their priests. We shall become the masters of their souls. But above all, let us get control of education, of the schools. By them we will spread the ideas that are useful to us, and we will mold the childrens brains as we wish".
David Icke writes, in his book "The Trigger" (2019), of the above quotes from Rabbi Rzeichhorn:
Make of that what you will because I can't prove authenticity, but
(a) you have the right to be aware of this information and
(b) there can be no doubt as we observe the world that the plans laid out in the Protocols, by the Sabbatian-Frankist Illuminati and attributed to Rabbi Reichhorn have happened or are happening.
This is so patently obvious that agents of Sabbatian-Frankism, some knowingly, some dupes, have employed the usual fall-back, fit-every-situation technique of condemning as 'antiSemitic' anyone who points this out and asks any questions about the plan described in the Protocols. I am not saying this is all a 'Jewish plot' - I am saying it's a plot by the Sabbatian-Frankist Death Cult that hates and despises Jews and Judaism as it hates and despises everyone else, and that this cult is part of the wider global satanic cult that infests every culture, race and country. On Sabbatian-Frankism I am at one with rabbis such as Marvin S. Antelman and many others.
The Protocols, whatever their origin, have been dismissed as a forgery since the articles by Irish writer Philip Graves in the London Times in 1921 which were also carried by The New York Times. Graves claimed the Protocols resembled a satire on Napoleon III by French lawyer Maurice Joly called Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu ('Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu') published in 1864. This is where the story usually ends. The Protocols were proved to be a forgery in The Times in 1921 - move along now, nothing to see here.
There is, however, other background to consider. Phillip Graves was a captain in British Army Intelligence who worked with 'Lawrence of Arabia', another British agent, who manipulated Palestinian Arabs to drive out the Ottoman Empire and open the way for the new Israel to hijack their land. Graves' uncle was Sir Robert Windham Graves, a British Consul in Turkey and financial advisor to the Turkish government who worked for Civil Intelligence in Cairo, Egypt.
The writer of the articles in The Times was connected to British Army Intelligence and there's more. Peter Grose, a writer with the Council on Foreign Relations, revealed in his 1994 book, Gentleman Spy: The Life of Allen Dulles, that Philip Graves' 'source' for the articles was a 'Russian emigre' provided to him by ... Allen Dulles. What a coincidence. Dulles, a Council on Foreign Relations stalwart, later CIA chief and instigator of the satanic MKUltra mind control horror, 'discovered' his man while stationed at the US Embassy in post-Ottoman Turkey.
The end of the Ottoman Muslim empire (brought about by World War I) was crucial to the establishment of Israel because it included Palestine. Peter Grose said The Times extended a 'loan' to the 'emigre' on the understanding that it did not have to be paid back. An Internet commentator said of the Allen Dulles 'scoop':
This was quite an accomplishment for a young American embassy employee, to both prove the major anti-Jewish plan for world domination was a forgery as well as unilaterally keeping Lenin out of the United States so he could be transported to Russia to begin the communist revolution. Strange coincidences like this seemed to follow both Dulles brothers during their long careers in 'public service' - or should we say 'serving the Anglo-American interests headquartered in the City of London'.
Dulles and dodgy are interchangeable words and Rabbi Antelman said that the Council on Foreign Relations is America's most powerful pro-Israel lobby group and controlled by Sabbatian-Frankists.
The Times articles that trashed the Protocols were written by a British Army Intelligence operative using an unnamed source provided by the infamous liar and manipulator Allen Dulles and the source secured a loan from the newspaper he would not have to repay. Oh, nothing to question here, then. Now shut up you 'anti-Semite'!
Colin Holmes, a lecturer in economic history at the UK's Sheffield University, claimed to have identified the Dulles emigre as Michael Raslovleff, a 'self-identified anti-Semite', who gave the information to Graves because he didn't want to 'give a weapon of any kind to the Jews, whose friend I have never been'. Surely having a document circulating that was alleged to be proof of a 'Jewish plot' is what an 'anti-Semite' would want rather than seeking to trash its legitimacy? Anyway, that's some background and people will have to decide what they think.
–David Icke, "The Trigger", 2019
After reading the above from Icke I had renewed interest in the Protocols and started to do a little research.
Wikipedia is "certain" that the Protocols are a "forgery"; here is what they have to say:
Source material for the forgery consisted jointly of "Dialogue aux enfers entre Machiavel et Montesquieu" (Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu), an 1864 political satire by Maurice Joly; and a chapter from Biarritz, an 1868 novel by the antisemitic German novelist Hermann Goedsche, which had been translated into Russian in 1872.
Interestingly, however, when one looks up Herman Goedsche and his book Biarritz (again, on wikipedia), one reads:
In his 1868 book Biarritz, Goedsche plagiarized a book by the French satirist Maurice Joly, The Dialogue in Hell Between Machiavelli and Montesquieu
Also "Dialogue aux enfers..." itself appears to be somewhat plagiarized:
Umberto Eco considered that Dialogue in Hell was itself plagiarised in part from a novel by Eugène Sue, Les Mystères du Peuple.
Interesting, what is going on here? But let's continue. Wikipedia says:
Identifiable phrases from Joly constitute 4% of the first half of the first edition, and 12% of the second half
[Australian researcher Peter Myer comments on the above:]
[“Cohn's (whose research the wikipedia entry makes use of) arithmetic is incorrect. The word-count of the parallel passages from the Protocols as listed by Bernstein, is 4,361, while the word-count of the Protocols is 26, 496. That is, the parallel passages comprise 16.45% of the Protocols; this is substantial, but still less than one sixth of the total.”]
So... where does the rest of the book come from?
Back to Wikipedia:
A major source for the Protocols was Der Judenstaat (1896) by Theodor Herzl, which was referred to as Zionist Protocols in its initial French and Russian editions. Paradoxically, early Russian editions of the Protocols assert that they did not come from a Zionist organization.
Stepanov is said to have published the Protocols first around the same time as Herzl's book was published. That's awfully tight timing.
Curious.
The wikipedia page makes no mention of the original Philip Stepanov publication, or Stepanov himself (big omission), but the source authors the page quotes from do. Interesting that.
Time to look into this Stepanov character.
No Wikipedia page that I can find.
The first thing I found was this:
He said that the "Protocols" was not Jewish-Masonic but a Zionist document secretly read at the Zionist Congress in Basle in 1897. (This especially is a foolish notion since an affidavit written by Philip Stepanov, the first publisher, proves that the "Protocols" was first brought to Russia two years before that Congress took place.) source
Two years before!? How can a book that heavily relies on plagiarizing from a book published in 1897, be published two years before in 1895?
I went hunting for this affidavit, and found quotes from it in another document.
A bombshell document...
...that I shall now quote from extensively (source at the end):
According to Philip Stepanov, formerly Procurator of the Moscow Synod, Chamberlain, and Privy Councillor, a copy of The Protocols was given to him in 1895 by his neighbour Maj. Alexis Sukhotin, Marshall of the town of Orel, who had been given his copy by Mlle Justine Glinka. (Sworn statement of Philip Stepanov, dated 17 April 1927).
Glinka, the daughter of a Russian general, had been in France since 1884, working for Gen. Orgevskii, secretary to the Minister of the Interior. Joseph Schorst, a Jewish member of the Mizraim Masonic Lodge in Paris, was in her employ, and offered to obtain a document which became known as The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion. Schorst later fled to Egypt where he was murdered. Returning to Russia, she gave a copy of the Protocols to Alexis Sukhotin, who showed it to Stepanov and Professor Sergius A. Nilus.
In wishing to refute the later allegation that The Protocols were formulated at the 1897 First Zionist Congress in Basle, Herman Bernstein, an early debunker of The Protocols, cites Stepanov’s sworn statement, the handwritten original being reproduced in Mrs Leslie Fry’s book Waters Flowing Eastward. Bernstein states:
"…This account of the history of the Protocols in Russia is accompanied by a facsimile affidavit made in 1927 by Philip Stepanov, one of the two friends to whom Sukhotin first showed the Protocols in Russia. Stepanov's telltale affidavit, translated from the Russian, reads as follows:
"In 1895 my neighboring estate owner in the province of Tula, retired Major Alexey Nikolayevitch Sukhotin, gave me a handwritten copy of the 'Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion.' He told me that a lady of his acquaintance (he did not mention her name), residing in Paris, had found them at the home of a friend of hers (probably of Jewish origin), and before leaving Paris, had translated them secretly, without his knowledge, and had brought one copy of that translation to Russia, and had given that copy to him, Sukhotin.
"At first I mimeographed one hundred copies of the Protocols, but that edition was difficult to read, and I resolved to have it printed somewhere, without mentioning the time, the city and the printer; I was helped in this by Arcady Ippolitovitch Kelepkovsky, who at that time was Privy Councillor with Grand Duke Sergey Alexandrovitch; he had these documents printed at the Provincial Printing Press; that was in 1897. S. A. Nilus reprinted these Protocols in full in his book, with his own commentaries.
"Philip Petrovitch Stepanov, former Procurator of the Moscow Synod Office; Chamberlain, Privy Councillor, and at the time of the publication of that edition, Chief of the district railway service of the Moscow-Kursk railway (in Orel).
"This is the signature of a member of the colony of Russian refugees at Stary and Novy Futog. "Witnessed by me, Stary Futog, April 17, 1927. "Chairman of the Administration of the Colony, "Prince Vladimir Galitzin." (Seal)
–(Herman Bernstein, The Truth About "The Protocols Of Zion": A Complete Exposure, 1971, pp. 37-40. Bernstein quotes from L. Fry's book Waters Flowing Eastward).
...there are internal indications that The Protocols date well prior to 1900-01. For e.g. a reference to "the Panama scandal" of 1888 which caused a furore in France during the 1890s. Also had The Protocols been contrived by Golovinsky ca. 1900 (see source below for more info) or at least sometime after 1896, it seems reasonable that anti-Semites would draw widely on references to Zionism, the First Zionist Congress taking place in 1897. However, there are no references to Zionism at all in The Protocols. The initial opinion of Nilus et al that The Protocols were not derived from the Zionist movement, but from a Jewish faction of Masonry, were correct.
It is particularly interesting that Cohn [historian Norman Cohn, quoted extensively in the wikipdeia entry] bases his refutation of The Protocols on the assertion that they are plagiarised from Maurice Joly’s Dialogues in Hell, and refutes the notion that The Protocols could emanate from the Alliance Israelite Universelle, yet fails to make any mention of the close association that existed between the Alliance’s Adolphe Cremieux and Joly. After all, most of the publicists for The Protocols seem to have considered the association, but Cohn, eager to nick-pick on various details, neglects refuting these most damning connections. Both Cohn and Bernstein were fully aware of Joly’s associations with Cremieux and with Masonry as stated in Mrs Fry’s book Waters Flowing Eastward (both mention the book) yet they say nothing of these associations. We must therefore assume that Mrs Fry’s assertions regarding Joly, Masonry and Cremieux are correct.
Whilst we shall shortly deal with the alleged parallels between passages of The Protocols and Joly’s work, we shall first deal with background of Joly that Cohn, Bernstein et al conspicuously avoid. Joly (1831-1878) had a family background in Masonry from his maternal grandfather. Studying law, he secured a post in he Ministry of the Interior. In 1860 he founded a newspaper, Le Palais, for lawyers and attorneys. The principal stockholders were: Jules Favre (Mason who served in the Gambetta Government, the so-called Government of National Defence, which arose after the fall of Napoleon III in 1870), Desmaret (Mason), Leblond (Mason), Adolphe Cremieux, Mason and head of the Alliance Israelite Universelle, a member of the Gambetta Government, of whom more later), Emmanuel Arago, Mason, serving with Gambetta), and Antoine Berryer (apparently the only non-Mason around Joly).
Joly’s politics were self-described as "socialist", with the need to accept "extreme means". With Cremieux he shared a hatred of Napoleon III. However what The Times, as well as subsequent critics of The Protocols do not mention is that Joly’s polemic against Napoleon III was itself predated by a similar work entitled Machiavelli, Montesquieu, Rousseau, which was written by Jacob Venedey and published in Berlin in 1850. Therefore, Joly was continuing a certain polemical line of thought rather than inventing it. If there are similarities between Joly and The Protocols, then there are also similarities with Venedey. All three for instance refer to the Hindu God Vishnu in parallel passages.
According to the expert testimony of Col. Fleischhauer at the 1935 Berne Trial, Joly was himself Jewish, his name having been originally Joseph Levy, Joly being concocted out of four letters of his true name. This testimony was said to have caused a sensation in the courtroom. When the plaintiffs produced a "baptismal certificate" to prove that Joly was not Jewish, it was dated December 1829, i.e. several years prior to Joly’s real date of birth according to his own account.
Since Venedey, a communist, takes a position antithetical to Joly, his champion being Machiavelli, we can see here a dialectical process in operation, that was brought to revolutionary perfection by Marx and the communists, and has arguably been used by the ‘Elders of Zion’. The dialectical strategy consists of promoting tension in society to achieve change. This includes the promotion of ideas and movements seemingly antithetical to ones own aims in the short term to advance long-range aims. Hence, the seemingly contradictory and self-destructive phenomenon of international bankers financing supposedly anti-capitalist revolutions to bring down traditional societies, as we shall see in due course. That the dialectical process is operative here can be inferred from the fact that Cremieux was the mentor of both Venedey and Joly. Hence the seemingly contradictory, antithetical positions of Venedey and Joly represent two sides of the programme of the ‘Learned Elder’.
Venedey (1805-1871) was a Jew who sought refuge in France, due to his revolutionary activities in Germany. He was removed from Paris by the police, but was able to return due to the intercession of Arago (whom we have seen was to become a stockholder in Joly’s newspaper) and Francois Mignet, both friends of Cremieux. Venedey was closely associated with Karl Marx and helped establish the Communist International, and was also active in the Masonic order Bauhutte.
Masonry, Illuminati & The Rite of Mizraim
Mrs Fry and other authorities on The Protocols have claimed that the documents were taken from a Lodge of the Masonic Rite of Mizraim, by one of its Jewish members, Joseph Schorst. Whilst this suggestion is of course rubbished out of hand by Cohn et al, once again the Protocols deniers remain strangely mute as to the role of both Cremieux and Joly in Mizraim.
Cremieux was a prominent member of Mizraim as well as Scottish Rite Masonry and the Grand Orient. Cremieux was a member of the Supreme Council of the Order of Mizraim. He also became Grand Master of the unified Grand Orient and Scottish Rite Masonry.
The Aegpytian Rite of Mizraim or Misraim was founded in Milan, Italy in 1805 and transferred to France in 1814. Mizraim is Hebrew for Egypt. Its origins reach back to the cabalistic magician Cagliostro, who was an initiate of the Illuminati. But the Misraim-Rite was (and still is) not accepted by Regular Freemasonry.
In 1862, another irregular rite, the Memphis Rite was introduced to the USA. On 4th June 1872, John Yarker introduced the Memphis-Rite to England. Under his jurisdiction, Memphis and Misraim came together. This unification was called The Antient and Primitive Rite of Memphis and Misraim, or Memphis-Misraim.
In 1902 Theodor Reuss, a German espionage agent, gained sanction from Yarker to install the Scottish Rite (33 degrees) and the "irregular" MM-Rites (90 and 97 degrees) in Germany. In 1917, Reuss introduced some of the Scottish Rite and MM degrees into the Ordo Templi Orientis, an occult society founded in 1906. This OTO was to be taken over by the infamous "Black Magician" and self-declared "Great Beast 666", Aleister Crowley. Crowley, a cabalist, was to write his own manifesto for a "New World Order", which he called The Book of the Law, expounding a Nietzschean doctrine of "Force and Fire" on the ruins of Christianity. Crowley saw his movement as being a continuation of the Illuminati and counted its founder Adam Weishaupt among a long list of "saints". A major difference of course is that Crowley did not have the resources and influence of Organised Jewry.
In 1870 the Rite of Mizraim was established in England under the authority of Cremieux. Bro. Little, one of those at the founding conference of Mizraim in London, on 28 December, stated:
"…Brother Cremieux, however, as a proof of his willingness to assist, sent to the meeting his diploma as a member of the French Grand College of Rites, and this diploma was placed upon the table during the proceedings, and was examined by several out of the hundred Masons present. It was also understood that Brother C.'s diploma invested him with the power to found rites or orders recognized by the Grand Orient of France (the Rite of Misraim being one)…"
The Freemason reported that a
"Supreme Council General of the 90°, had been regularly formed here 'under the authority conveyed in a diploma granted to the Illustrious Brother Cremieux, 33° of the Rite Ecossais, and a member of the Grand College of Rites in France.'"
Bernstein and Cohn rubbish any such notion of Masonic involvement in any conspiracy, including involvement in the French Revolution. This repudiation is necessary on their part, since Masonry plays a major factor in the conspiracy expounded in The Protocols. We shall consider the role of Masonry and the Illuminati in due course. Suffice it here to cite several eminent sources that can hardly be said to be anti-Semitic. Benjamin Disraeli, the Jewish Victorian era Prime Minister of Britain and intimate of the Rothschild banking dynasty, one of the mainstays of Jewish world influence, states in terms themselves reminiscent of The Protocols:
"When the secret societies, in February 1848, surprised Europe, they were themselves surprised by the unexpected opportunity, and so little capable were they of seizing the occasion, that had it not been for the Jews, who of late years unfortunately have been connecting themselves with these unhallowed associations, imbecile as were the governments the uncalled-for outbreak would not have ravaged Europe. But the fiery energy and the teeming resources of the children of Israel maintained for a long time the unnecessary and useless struggle. If the reader throws over the provisional governments of Germany, and Italy, and even of France, formed at that period, he will recognise everywhere the Jewish element. Even the insurrection, and defence, and administration of Venice, which, from the resource of statesmanlike moderation displayed, commanded almost the respect and sympathy of Europe, were accomplished by a Jew - Manini, who by the bye is a Jew who professes the whole of the Jewish religion, and believes in Calvary as well as Sinai, 'a converted Jew', as the Lombards styled him, quite forgetting, in the confusion of their ideas, that it is the Lombards who are the converts - not Manini."
Secondly we have a remarkable statement from Leon Trotsky, the Jewish revolutionary who became commander of the Red Army and with Lenin the most powerful man in the USSR:
"It was during that period that I became interested in freemasonry. ... In the eighteenth century freemasonry became expressive of a militant policy of enlightenment, as in the case of the Illuminati, who were the forerunners of the revolution; on its left it culminated in the Carbonari. Freemasons counted among their members both Louis XVI and the Dr. Guillotin who invented the guillotine. In southern Germany freemasonry assumed an openly revolutionary character, whereas at the court of Catherine the Great it was a masquerade reflecting the aristocratic and bureaucratic hierarchy. A freemason Novikov was exiled to Siberia by a freemason Empress. . I discontinued my work on freemasonry to take up the study of Marxian economics. ... The work on freemasonry acted as a sort of test for these hypotheses. ... I think this influenced the whole course of my intellectual development.".
Note that Trotsky not only refers to Masonry as a major factor in revolutionary ferment, but how it had also infiltrated the hierarchy of the old order it was about to overthrow, and that both the Illuminati and the Italian Carbonari were involved. Yet Bernstein and Cohn dismiss such sentiments when expressed by Robison et al as "fantasy". Bernstein also opines that the Illuminati were a "rival" of Masonry and did not survive its banning by the Elector of Bavaria. As we shall see, this opinion is naïve at best.
Thirdly, Bernard Lazare traces the Jewish influence on Masonry and the Illuminati, as follows:
"…It is true of course that there were Jews connected with Freemasonry from its birth, students of the Kabbala, as shown by certain rites which survive. It is very probable too that in the years preceding the French Revolution, they entered in greater numbers than ever, into the councils of the secret societies, becoming, indeed, themselves the founders of secret associations. There were Jews in the circle around Weishaupt, and a Jew of Portuguese origin, Martinez de Pasquales, established numerous groups of Illuminati in France and gathered a large number of disciples, who he instructed in the doctrines of reintegration. The lodges which Martinez founded were mystic in character, whereas the other orders of Freemasonry were, on the whole, rationalistic in their teachings. This might almost lead one to say that the secret societies gave expression in a way to the two fold nature of the Jew, on the one hand a rigid rationalism, on the other that pantheism which… often ended in a sort of Cabalistic theurgy. There would be little difficulty in showing how these two tendencies worked in harmony; how Cazotte, Cagliostro, Martinez [de Pasquales]… were practically in alliance with the Encyclopaedists and the Jacobins, succeeded in arriving at the same end, the undermining, namely, of Christianity."
The Protocols (if obtained in 1884) refer to the Panama Canal scandal years before the scandal had become public knowledge (in 1892). Therefore whoever wrote The Protocols must have had inside knowledge of high powered financial manipulation.
We have already noted that The Protocols did not originate with the Zionist movement. This was the original opinion of Nilus and others, although subsequently modified after Zionism became an influential movement among the Jews. In fact, the majority of the most prominent figures of World Jewry were opposed to Zionism, and some Orthodox Jews are still antagonistic on the basis that Israel was not to be recreated until after the advent of the King-Messiah.
The principal allegation levelled at the supposed forgers of The Protocols is that the purpose is to foment "anti-Semitism". However, the following is a remarkable passage from The Protocols in which it is said that "anti-Semitism" serves the purposes of the "Elders of Zion" in keeping the Jewish masses herded under their leadership.
As one might say today, this seems to be something of a "protection racket". The Jewish masses are being milked of millions of dollars every year to fill the coffers not only of Israel but of numerous "Jewish defence" organisations such as the Anti-Defamation League, which continually feed the Jews the line that a pogrom or a new "Holocaust" is just around the corner if Jews don’t keep donating. Here is what The Protocols say about "anti-Semitism". It is surely a strange passage if the authors are anti-Semites wishing to incite pogroms:
"Nowadays if any States raise a protest against us it is only pro forma at our discretion, and by our direction, for their antiSemitism is indispensable to us for the management of our lesser brethren. I will not enter into further explanations, for this matter has formed the subject of repeated discussions amongst us." (Prot. IX)
There is much, much more to this story; what I have quoted above are abridged excerpts.
The full document is a fascinating read and you can read it here:
The PROTOCOLS of ZION In Context By Dr. K. R. Bolton (PDF)
"But you yourselves perfectly well know that to produce the possibility of the expression of such wishes by all the nations it is indispensable to trouble in all countries the people's relations with their governments so as to utterly exhaust humanity with dissension, hatred, struggle, envy and even by the use of torture, by starvation, BY THE INOCULATION OF DISEASES, by want, so that the goyim see no other issue than to take refuge in our complete sovereignty in money and in all else. But if we give the nations of the world a breathing space the moment we long for is hardly likely ever to arrive."
Protocol 10
The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion
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2020.09.06 21:37 milkjug101 Survivor Seasons Ranked! (Spoiler free)

This is my personal ranking of every survivor season. Keep in mind I have not placed seasons 1-8, 20, or 37 as I have not seen them. All of this is my opinion and if you disagree with anything on my list let me know! You might be able to change my mind.
1.) Cagayan- By far my favorite season, this is arguably the best cast the show has ever seen and it will likely stay that way. The strategy in this season is phenomenal and can only be matched with the equally likeable cast. Everyone in the cast has a place in the story and the choices they make in the season make sense making each character relatable I'm their own right. The winners story is gripping and the underdog subplots make any given member of the cast fun to root for. Easily my number one season and one that I would highly recommend to someone new to the series. (Favorite players- Spencer, Kass, Tony)
2.) Cambodia- This season saw favorites that we as watchers picked and they definitely delivered, the strategy in this season is truly like no other and may be the best in the series. The cast was picked by viewers so it's an obvious plus, and gameplay remains consistent throughout. The only thing keeping Cambodia from number one is the lack of character moments and more emphasis on strategy. A theme that would continue on to the next era. (Favorite players- Spencer, Stephen, Keith)
3.) Tocantines- Speaking of character moments, this season is probably the best in the show as far as character moments go. I could watch this cast interact with each other all day and never get tired. The impressive victory of the Jalapao and the dismantling of the Timbira tribe makes the story very engaging. While the editing can be a tad lopsided it doesn't make the season any less enjoyable, and the winners arch is one of the best in the series. A great season to pick up. (Favorite players- JT, Stephen, Sierra)
4.) Phillipines- Everyone can appreciate a good underdog victory, and I would argue no season does this better than Phillipines. This season might just have the best overarching narrative of a season watching two likable underdogs navigate through a cast of equally likeable contestants. The returning players were even fun to watch because rather than be overbearing via the edit, they played their parts in the story with grace and dignity. Truly a bright spot in a dark patch of seasons. (Favorite players- Malcolm, Penner, Jeff Kent)
5.) China- Another fantastic newbie cast. This season is always renowned for the likability of its cast, and the beauty of the location China takes place in. While the winning narrative might not leave you at the edge of your seat, you have to appreciate the dominance of the win, and the consistency of airtime each player has. The season is home to a couple of my favorite characters in the whole show, and rewatching China is always a joy. (Favorite players- Peigh Gee, Dave, Todd)
6.) Winners at War- The most recent addition to this list, I have conflicting feelings about how to rank this. On one hand all of our favorite winners jump on our screen once again and deliver entertainment wise in almost every aspect imaginable, it's where production steps in that things get a little shaky. The edge made it's return to the disappointment of many, and fire tokens were introduced. These twists were not necessarily bad, but as a result of their inclusion, a significant amount of airtime was dedicated to them rather than getting to know each winner which really hurts this season. However Winners at War's winning game and overall narrative is one of legends which lands it here at number 6. (Favorite players- Tony, Yul, Sophie)
7.) Millennials vs. Generation X- Another very solid newbie season. Millennials vs. Gen X shines the most with its cast and story. Every single player in this season has their role in the overall narrative and has many degrees of likability to their character. While controversial, I love the winning story and the twists and gameplay moves remain complex and make sense. While the theme of the season might be a little hokey, Millennials vs. Gen X is a very solid entry in the series. (Favorite players- Adam, Brett, Jay)
8.) Heros vs. Healers vs. Hustlers- This is a very controversial season and many have it very low on their lists. I watched this season for the first time this fall knowing the end result and was pleasantly surprised with a great cast, and entertaining gameplay. The main problems for HHH is the endgame. The winning game is very poor which dilutes the rest of the season, everything else in the season is fairly superb. Other than a couple duds, I could root for just about everyone in this season and while many "big moves" don't make sense, it still doesn't make it any less entertaining. I wish this season was talked about more positively. (Favorite players- Chrissy, Ryan, Mike)
9.) Koah Rong- Koah Rong is very similar to HHH in the sense that the gameplay and characters are fantastic, but the winner leaves much to be desired. The fact that med evacs had so much power in the direction this season goes, its really hard to rank Koah Rong much higher then it is here. While a very stimulating cast to watch and root for, I think that other, higher ranked seasons just do its job better. (Favorite players- Tai, Niel, Peter)
10.) Gabon- Gabon is a guilty pleasure for me. On paper nothing in this season should work, a train wreck of a cast horrendous gameplay, and one of the worst winners in survivor history. But somehow, Gabon just works. The landscape is absolutely stunning, and watching incompetent players fall ass first through the game is hilarious and oddly enthralling, and the editing remains consistent as well. This season is great if you just want to watch one episode of survivor without dedicating yourself to an entire season. Although I love Gabon, I cannot reasonably rank it any higher. (Favorite players- Randy, Kenny, Crystal)
11.) Panama- Panama is like putting a good season and a bad season in a blender. There are some aspects of Panama that are comedy gold, but also parts that are utterly boring and predictable. The winner is underwhelming, as is all of the La Mina tribe, but what gives this season a shot of adrenaline is the Casaya tribe, maybe the best tribe in terms of entertainment ever. Compare Casaya to it's mutable La Mina counterpart and you have a fairly interesting overarching story that I was always engaged in. (Favorite players- Terry, Shane, Courtney)
12.) Palau- This season is one of the most unique in terms of story. The devastation of the Ulong tribe is a gripping narrative, and when paired with one of the most dominant wins in survivor history, you have a really good season. Although the predictability at points bumps Palau down a couple ranks, it doesn't make it any less of a joy to watch. (Favorite players- James, Kobe, Tom)
13.) Blood vs. Water- What can I say about Blood vs. Water? It's just a really good season. Great cast, interesting twist, engaging gameplay, and a deserving winner. So what keeps it down here at number 13? I think the problem is that Blood vs. Water simply doesn't excel at any of these, all of the seasons above just do its job better. This season is really enjoyable and fun to watch, for some reason I just can't rank it any higher. (Favorite players- Hayden, Ciera, Tyson)
14.) Guatemala- I don't know why this season has the reputation of being boring, or forgettable. I've always enjoyed Guatemala as I believe it to be the last season to truly emphasize survival. The location is one of my favorites and the overall winner has one of the most unique wins this far. Although little to none of them have returned, I would love to see more of this cast back as I found nearly all of them to be very likeable. While very modest, I think that Guatemala is a hidden gem overshadowed by better seasons. (Favorite players- Gary, Judd, Rafe)
15.) Island of the Idols- I will forever be an apologist for this season. Island of the Idols gets a lot of unwarranted hate, so allow me to explain. The pre merge of IOTI is fantastic, the winner is one of my personal favorites in terms of gameplay, while fundamentally flawed, the island of the Idols itself leads to entertaining character moments, and the entire cast with one glaring exception is one of if not the best cast we've ever seen. But what just bogs this season down is merge episode and the controversies associated with it. Post merge Island of the Idols takes a very dark turn and left a very bad taste in my mouth episode after episode. I did however feel like the finale turned everything around into a very fun conclusion. Under any other circumstances this season would be ranked near the top of newbie seasons, but because of the glaring hole in IOTI I can't possibly place this any higher. (Favorite players- Kellee, Jamal, Janet)
16.) San Juan Del Sur- San Juan Del Sur is a less interesting Blood vs. Water, while the season is fundamentally the same, the twist itself just doesn't live up to the first time it was tried. With a couple major exceptions much of this cast is largely forgettable. The gameplay picks up here and there but not enough to keep me too engaged. Overall, San Juan Del Sur is just a muted down version of Blood vs. Water, which was already a muted down version of other, better seasons. (Favorite players- Keith, Natalie, Reed)
17.) Vanuatu- This season is never talked about very much, and it's easy to see why, but that doesn't mean that Vanuatu deserves to be lost in the sands of time. There are some phenomenal blindsides, gameplay that was revolutionary for its time, and one of the best underdog wins in the history of the show. This season has so many gems in its characters that I'm still shocked haven't been brought back. The one thing that holds Vanuatu back from being ranked any higher is simply that all of the seasons above simply do its job better in terms of story and characters. I would love to see this season talked about more. (Favorite players- Rory, Chris, LeAnn)
18.) Samoa- I feel very conflicted about a season like Samoa. On one hand, I think this cast is great, and the underdog victory is an incredible story. On the other hand the editing of the season is horrendous and one of the worst in the series. The main problems in Samoa hinge on the fact that the entire season comes from the perspective of one player, while that player is engaging and interesting, it shoves aside the rest of this very likeable cast in their own right in order to do so. Making Samoa very hot and cold in my eyes. (Favorite players- Dave, Jaison, Russell Swan)
19.) Edge of Extinction- While I enjoyed this season more than most, I can't rationally put it higher up on the list. Edge of extinction is a mess in editing, and story due to the theme and the winner, but that doesn't make the overall season less enjoyable. Although most of the cast is forgettable, the few gems in the cast coupled with the four returning players add a lot of merit to an otherwise mediocre season. The winners narrative, while subjectively the worst in the worst in the show somehow make Edge of Extinction one of the most unique seasons in the show, landing it here at number 19. (Favorite players- Victoria, Reem, Devens)
20.) Worlds Apart- Worlds apart is renowned for it's awful cast, poor winner, uncomfortable moments, and for the most part, these are all accurate. On a rewatch however, I found many redeemable aspects of this season. The best part for me, is the story. In the post merge watching the winner of this season time and time again foil the plans of their fellow cast mates was very enjoyable. Though it was predictable, the remaining members of the cast were so unlikable it just didn't matter. Worlds apart is like the opposite of Blood vs. Water where it tries to do many things it ends of not being good at any of them leading it to have such a negative connotation among fans. (Favorite players- Carolyn, Mike, Max)
21.) South Pacific- Many people rank this season near the bottom, and while I agree that South Pacific is not great, there are many redeeming qualities about it. Redemption island makes a return and is as uninteresting as ever, and two veterans make a return hogging all the screentime to show off their uninteresting and unlikable gameplay. Couple this with an uncomfortable religious overtone, and you have a bad season. But what lands South Pacific higher than the bottom is the cast which is largely likable upon a rewatch, and easy to root for. Unfortunately they are mostly overshadowed by their veteran counterparts but the winners story is fairly underrated and interesting to watch unfold. I would like to see this season talked about more in a positive light. (Favorite players- Cochran, Rick, Dawn)
22.) Micronesia- This is going to be the biggest hot take on the list. Before you bombard me with hate comments, let me explain. I did not enjoy watching Micronesia. For reasons I will attempt to explain, I just didn't. I think that the fans vs. favorites is very lopsided and leads to very predictable gameplay. I really enjoyed the train wreck that was the fans tribe, but post swap all of them started getting picked off in a boring manor. The favorites tribe started out very solid but post merge all of the true favorites were gone, and the ones that remained were very arrogant and unlikable. While the gameplay was some of the best in the series, when it happens in a predictable unlikable manor, it just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth after watching. This case isn't helped by in a twenty person cast, two were medically evacuated, and three basically quit the game. While I can see why everyone loves this season, I personally just did not enjoy watching Micronesia. (Favorite players- Joel, Aliza, Erik)
23.) Game Changers- An all star season that is widely disliked. Much of this is because of the inaccurate title, overabundance of advantages, and lackluster batch of returnees. With one big exception, the pre merge of this season is great with many big names in survivor unfortunately leaving early but in glorious fashion. The main problem is that Gamechangers looses it's momentum post merge with its remaining cast mostly being unlikable, boring, or unnoticeable, and becomes a chore to get to once the winner becomes too obvious. There are many episodes in which uncomfortable material is discussed, game breaking twists are introduced making this season a mixed bag of mostly bad moments. (Favorite players- Sarah, Tai, Zeke)
24.) Cook islands- Another very hot take, I honestly struggle to find good things to say about this season. Cook island's only redeeming qualities lie in the four standout characters it has, the uncomfortable tribe division, and narrative. Other than that it is a boring, uninteresting slog to get through. Besides like five people, all of this cast are just non entities who add nothing to the story. The tribe division was controversial, but was only in play for two episodes. The thing keeping Cook islands afloat for me is the story of the season. The Aitu four story arch is one of the best in the series leading to my personal favorite winner in the whole series. Though this is where many of the shows most iconic players started out, I just can't see why so many people put Cook Islands in their top 10s. (Favorite players- Yul, Penner, Cao Boi)
25.) Fiji- This season sucks. There isn't a lot going for it, generic location, unlikable cast, the most unbalanced theme to date, and controversies aplenty. Yet, if you look deeper into the season, there are qualities to love about it. While almost all of the cast were either underedited or just awful people, there are a few notable exceptions that I would love to see make a return. Though mean spirited, the contestants that were just bad people did make good TV and kept me interested, which is more than I can say for Cook Islands. The winners game is one of the most underrated in the series, and the amount of innovation in terms of gameplay is the most in shows history. (Favorite players- Earl, Yau Man, Alex)
26.) Caramoan- The second fans vs favorites season which is even worse than the first one. While the first fans tribe was interesting to watch, this fans tribe consisted of nobodys who had hardly watched the game before. The favorites tribe wasn't much better, with all of the tribe being hated by fans of the show with a couple exceptions. This alone is just a recipe for disaster, which indeed it was. The editing is all over the place, and while there are a few good moments, all that I remember of Caramoan is just the spiteful negative cloud hanging over everything that in the end resulted in one of the most predictable if not strategically winners to date. (Favorite players- Malcolm, Reynold, Cochran)
27.) Nicaragua- The first in what would be considered the "Dark ages" of survivor, and it's easy to see why. This really is the worst editing in any season of survivor, where storylines start and stop abruptly with little cohesion between episodes, and the cast is a exciting as a cardboard box. The tribe divisions by age was never going to pan out and it never did, and the medallion of power was just plain stupid. The winner is one of the most underwhelming in the series and strategy is almost non-existent, but not in a fun way like Gabon. The only redeeming qualities lie in that a couple castaways are fun to watch, however all of them get booted early merge leaving an awful season in their wake. The location is gross and overall this season is just a trudge to go through. (Favorite players- Marty, Jane, Dan)
28.) Ghost Island- Along with Nicaragua, the editing in this season is absolutely horrendous with about only three contestants getting any screen time at all. The winning narrative is dominant, but not in a way that is fun at all. There were blueprints for a good season here, but the decision to edit only three people killed any redeemable qualities Ghost Island had. This time around the cast was at least semi likable, the problem is that we never saw any of them. The Ghost Island twist itself was interesting in concept but just came across as stupid and hogged up precious screen time that could be spent fleshing out other characters. This whole season is like a mix of Nicaragua and Samoa but somehow the end result is worse than both of them. I hope the editing department learned their lesson on this season. (Favorite players- Stephanie, Jacob, Dom)
29.) One World- Every other season before has had members in the cast for the audience to root for. One World doesn't have a single one. Every single cast member in this season is spiteful, boring, or just plain stupid. The tribes are on one beach which was interesting in concept, but it didn't have a chance to shine because the worst cast in 40 seasons was playing on it. In terms or story, there is no story, the winner simply plays the most dominant game ever played with little competition. The editing is at least okay but if you don't want to spend any time with the contestants it doesn't really matter. One World is bad. (Favorite players- Leif, Sabrina, Tarzan)
30.) Redemple Temple- Redemption Island is the worst season of all time. Let's go down our checklist: Unlikable cast? Check. Bad editing? Check. Boring and predictable story? Check check and check. Redemption Island has one of the biggest steamrolls from any winner in survivor history against some of the most uninteresting and incompetent players the audience has ever seen. Much like Samoa and Ghost Island, much of the season comes from the perspective of one person and doesn't highlight the perspective of anyone else. I'm in the minority that doesn't absolutely detest the twist of Redemption Island, but it doesn't add anything to the game itself. I pray to God that this remains the worst season of all time. (Favorite players- Matt, Make, Steve)
Thank you for reading this list! Remember this is all my opinion and you are free to share yours below. I am currently trying to watch every season right now and I am halfway through Hero's vs Villains so I will probably edit that in later.
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2020.09.03 06:35 MrPatrick1207 [WTS] So much foreign silver: Europe, Mexico, Commonwealth. US Starter Lot. German Notgeld.

Proof: https://imgur.com/nLzbjAF
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If price is too high or you want to buy a few things, make an offer.
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I accept Venmo (keep the comment simple, like a single emoji), PayPal G&S (add 3% to the price) and F&F (NO COMMENTS!!!), and Google Wallet.
Shipping:
$3 for padded envelope for under 13oz
$8 over 13oz
No risky shipping (letter envelope)
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Barbers (a few $ over spot): https://imgur.com/a/CcGGRhT
Coin Price
$7.25 FV Barber Quarters. Slick/cleaned/nasty, no holes. Most still have visible dates 21x face (rounding down, $150)
$1 FV Barber Dime. Same as above, pretty slick and damaged. All have visible dates. 21x face, $21
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Pretty mercs, all 1945s:
https://imgur.com/a/PGu3ILZ
$10ea
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Better Commonwealth Silver:
https://imgur.com/a/tJZZ6ui
Coin Price
Australia Sixpence 1910 $20
Australia Florin 1942 $12
New Zealand Half Crown 1933 $15
Ceylon 25 Cents 1903 $5
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World Silver 1:
https://imgur.com/a/OSqHHZd
https://imgur.com/a/WCzKx9J
https://imgur.com/a/8buM3he
https://imgur.com/a/NoXvap7
Coin Price
1958 Belgium 50 Francs $12
2x 1963 Greece 30 Drachmai $15 ea
1944 Netherlands 1 Gulden $20
1951 Germany 5 Mark $6
1924A Germany 1 Reichmark $6
1925A Germany 1 Reichmark $6
1967 Switzerland 5 Francs $12
1909 Germany 1/2 Mark $4
1748 (1979) 1/4 Thaler Restrike $25
Bavaria 5 Mark 1913 Restrike $25
World Silver 2:
https://imgur.com/a/hrvmt9Z
https://imgur.com/a/Je0umVr
https://imgur.com/a/2wiZ8h2
Coin Price
Belgium 5 Franc 1873 $25
Netherlands 1 Gulden 1924 $10
Netherlands 2.5 Gulden 1930 $20
Peru 1 Sol 1874 $30
Victoria Shilling 1865, 1874, 1884 $5ea PENDING
Austria 5 Shilling 1961 $7
Austria 1 Corona 1905 $15
Germany 2 Reichmark (Shiller) 1934F $40
Germany 1 Mark 1906A $8
Prussia 1 Groschen 1863A $8
Prussia 2 Mark 1900A $15
Prussia 3 Mark 1912A $20
Prussia 3 Mark 1913 $20 PENDING
Straits Settlement 10c 1899 $10
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Newfoundland: https://imgur.com/a/xYWYjuD
Coin Price
Victoria 20 cents $10 ea
Victoria 50 Cents 1899 $25
Victoria 50 Cents 1881 $15
George V 20 Cents $6 ea
Edward VII 50 Cents 1908 $20
George VI 5 Cents 1941 $3
George VI 10 Cents 1940 $4
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Notgeld:
https://imgur.com/a/SDFDsbr
https://imgur.com/a/7hrGgul
https://imgur.com/a/AYBmhrS
Coin Price
Hamburg 1/2 Million Mark 1923 $8
Hamburg 200k Mark 1923 $5
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ALL BELOW, PENDING
Coin Price
Staatliche Sächsen Hüttenwerke bei Freiberg 1 Million Mark 1923 (100k mintage) $15
Menden 2 Million Mark $15
Wattenscheild 5 Pfennig 1920 $6~
Aachen 1920 1 Ösher grosche (10 pfennig) $3
Bonn 1919 10 Pfenig $2
Frankenthal 1919 50 Pfennig $5
Kaiserslautern 1917 10 Pfennig $5
Künzelsau 1918 10 Pfennig $3
Mainz 1917 10 pfennig $2
Mainz 1918 10 Pfennig $2
Munich 1918 15 Pfennig $1
Olpe 1920 10 pfennig $2
Rosenheim 1917 5 pfennig $3
Soest 5 Pfennig 1920 $3
Solinge 1917 50 pfennig $3
Speyer 1917 10 pfennig $5
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Commonwealth Silver Lot: https://imgur.com/a/BhGUAN1 PENDING
Canada 5 Cents (1907) (0.925 1.2g)
4x Great Britain 3p (1931,1932,1933,1934) (0.500 1.4g)
2x GB 6p (1916,1919) (0.925 2.8g)
2x GB 6p (1932,1945) (0.500 2.8g)
GB 1 Shilling (1918) (0.925 5.7g)
GB 1 Shilling (1936) (0.500 5.7g)
2x GB 1 Florin (1923,1923) (0.500, 11.3g)
Australia 3p (1928) (0.925 1.3g)
Australia 3p (1943) (0.925 1.4g)
Australia 3p (1950) (0.500 1.4g)
Australia 6p (1941) (0.925 2.8g)
New Zealand 3p (1937) (0.500 1.4g)
Total: 37.8g, Price : $35
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Silver Lot Album: https://imgur.com/a/IfAU0Lg PENDING
3x Cuba 20 Centavos (1915,1920,1948)(0.900 5g)
2x France 10 Francs (1932,1933) (0.6800 10g)
India 1/2 Rupee (1944) (0.500 5.8g)
2x Mexico 1 Peso (1962,1963) (0.100 16g)
Netherlands Antilles 1/10 Gulden 1963 (0.640 1.4g)
2x Netherlands 10 Cents (1917,1944) (0.640 1.4g
Netherlands 25 Cents 1943 (0.640 3.575g)
Netherlands 1 Gulden 1957 (0.720 6.5g)
Nicaragua 10 Centavos 1935 (0.800 2.5g)
Panama 1/10 Balboa 1953 (0.900 2.5g)
Panama 1/10 Balboa 1962 (0.900 2.5g)
Portugal 1950 5 Escudos (0.800 7g)
2x Switzerland 2 Franc (1922,1939)(0.835 10g)
Venezuela 50 Centimos 1960 (0.835 2.5g)
Total: 73.7g, $80
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US Lot: https://imgur.com/a/XcNUDmB 1846 Cent
1892 Cent
1865 2 Cents
1873 3 Cents
1883 5 Cents
1903 5 Cents
19(25?) 5 Cents
5 1999 proof 25 cents
1974, 1978 Proof 50 cents
1973, 1974 Proof $1
1979 Proof $1
A whole bunch of wheaties, some teens 20s 30s, lots of 40s and 50s
Price: $60 PENDING
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Mexico: https://imgur.com/a/HlMr6Jj PENDING
Coin Price
5 Centavos 1888Pi R $5
5 Centavos 1890Go R $5
10 Centavos 1882Mo M $8
1 Real 1829Zs AO $10
Spain 1/2 Real 1817 (mexico mint) $5
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2020.09.01 22:38 PastelSprite [US][Sale/Swap]Dior,Smashbox,It,Nars,Mac,Fenty,ABH,UD,Glossier,Lancome,Benefit,Bare Minerals,St.Tropez, Milk Makeup,PTR,AB Skincare/beauty,The Ordinary,Too Faced,kenra,Ipsy bags, freebies + wishlist for swaps

Feel free to make reasonable offers! I am downsizing and would like to let this stuff go, so reasonable offers/offers on bundles and stuff especially are completely encouraged :D For swaps, at the top of my list are: Glossier,Milk Makeup,Fenty,ABH,Nars,Tarte(foundations/samples ok) complete list at bottom,bolded)
 
 
SALE:
 
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Dior Forever Skin Glow Foundation 2WO/2 warm olive Used 2-3x $30 Retail:$52
Fenty Beauty Pro Filt'r Soft Matte Longwear Foundation 145 Used a few x, about 2/3 full $20
Nars Sheer Glow Fiji Used a few x,approx. 2/3 full $25
Mac Pro Longwear Nourishing Waterproof Foundation NC25 3x, 3/4 left $12
It Cosmetics CC Cream FS Medium about 1/2 left $18
Nars Pure Radiant Tinted Moisturizer St. Moritz used 2x,near full $30
SOLD Makeup Forever Ultra HD Perfector Mini 06 1x $1
Smashbox Studio Skin 15 hr. Hyrdrating Foundation 3.02 2x $25
Revlon Age Defying w/ DNA Advantage 10 Bare Buff Swatched free w/purchase or just pay shipping
Clarria Tinted Primer Light Swatched $1 or FWP
Maybelline Fit Me Matte 118 about 1/2 $2
Rimmel Stay Matte Foundation 103 True Ivory 1x $FWP or just pay shipping
Loreal True Match Lumi N1-2 Soft Ivory Close to 1/2 left $2
Missha Perfect Cover BB Cream 27 2x $4
Maybelline Fit Me Matte 238 Rich Tan 1-2x $3
Maybelline Dream Radiant Liquid Hydrating Foundation 80 Cashew Swatched $4
 
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Bare Minerals Mineralist mini Honesty swatched $2
SOLDBite Beauty Amuse Bouche mini Sake swatched $2
Sephora Rouge Matte mini Rebel Chic Swatched,but continuously falls out of tube.This has caused it to be shorter and nicked $0.50
Urban Decay Vice Lipstick Firebird Usage shown(about 3x) $6
Urban Decay Comfort Matte Menace Usage shown $7
Urban Decay Vice Lipstick Mini Big Bang 1-2x $3
Fenty Beauty Mattemoiselle Plush Matte PMS 2x $10
YSL Volupte Tint In Oil mini #5 Cherry my Cherrie 1x $3
Sephora Cream Lip Stain 45 Chai Latte 1x $1
Tarte Tarteist Glossy Slay 5x $8
Stila Matte LL Aria 2x $12
SOLDToo Faced Naughty Kisses & Sweet Cheeks Duo Gloss: Like a Boss, Blush: Dream Lover 1x for cheek, 0-1x lip $3
Maybelline Vivid Matte LL 45 Vivid Violet 1x $2
Ipsy x Tetris Glip Gloss Tetrimono NIB $5
Perfect Tone Matte Lip Creme 5409 Black Radiance(dark purple) 1x $FWP or just pay shipping
SOLD Etude House Dear Darling Water Tint Cherry Aide 1x $2
Vintage Beauty? Pink Sequin 3x $free
Loreal Infallible Matte LL 844 Sweet Tooth 4x $2
Elf Lipgloss Nude Pink usage shown $free
Wet n Wild Liquid Catsuit 924B Rebel Rose 1x $2
Wet N Wild Liquid Catswuit Coral Corruption 2x $2
Wet N Wild 403C Will You Be With Me shown $free
Covergirl Smoochies Alter Ego shown $free
Maybelline Matte 835 Sapphire Siren shown $2
Adesse NY unsure, cool pink shown $1
 
Item Shade Usage Price
Eyeshadow, Eyeliner, Mascara, & Brows: - - -
Urban Decay Roller Girl Palette LE - Usage shown, hardly used $8-lowered
Urban Decay Naked Basics - shown $8
Nars Duo Marie Galante - shown-the packaging is a little sticky, as per Nars :(
Wet n Wild Downtown Browns Palette - 2-3x $4
Wet N Wild Trio 334 I'm Getting Sunburned Lid-3-4x, brow 2-3x, crease-swatched $3
Meech and Mia Single FS Taupe swatched $2
Ulta Eyeshadow Single Mint 3x $2
NYX Prismatic Eyeshadow Single Diamond Lust 1x $1
SOLD Thrive Cosmetics Legend Lash mini Black NIB $4
Benefit They're Real Mascara mini Black NIB $4
Benefit Bad Gal Bang Mascara DS Black BN $4
SOLDGlossier Boy Brow Brown 3x $5
Elf eyebrow pomade Brown shown $1
Anastasia Beverly Hills Brow Pomade Dark Brown Shown $5
Betty Boop x Ipsy Blink and Wink Mascara DS Black BN $4 OBO
Lancome Cils Booster XL Vitamin-Infused Mascara Primer DS x BN $7 $10
 
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Blush,Contour,Highlight: - - -
Tarte Amazonian Clay Blush Dollface shown-scraped a little product off the top b/c accidentally transferred foundation $8
SOLDMilk Makeup Lip + Cheek Stick mini Werk New $name your price
Too Faced Chocolate Soleil Bronzer Mini Medium\Deep a few x $2
Wet n Wild Color Icon Ombre Blush In a Purple Haze 2x $2
NYX Blush Taupe Hardly used, but has small crack in upper corner(pictured) $2
Space Case Cosmetics Highlighter Seen From Space 1E-light shimmery mauve $3
 
Item Usage Price
Skincare:Face, Body, Hair, Misc: - -
Pur~lisse Blue Lotus Pur Delicate Gentle Soy Milk Cleanser Used a few x, lots left, packaging a little beat from storage $10
Peter Thomas Roth Water Drench Mini New $3
Formula 10.0.6 Thirst No More Moisturizer 1 fl oz 1x,packaging has small mark from storage $3
Loshi Horse Oil Moist Face Foam Cleanser Used 2x, almost full $5
Miracle Pore minimizing serum mini New name your price
Valmont Prime Renewing Pack 1x $5
Clinique Dramatically Different Moisturizing Gel Mini swatched $3
It Confidence in a Gel Lotion mini new $3
Pyunkang Yul Essence Toner 30ml sample 1x,got this off ABE $4
The Ordinary AHA BHA Peeling Solution 1x, note:please research this before use, use as directed/with caution. My skin's very dry and it made it worse $4
Murad Renewing Eye Cream FS NIB $60(retail:$82)
Thank Me Later face primer swatched $2
SOLDFirst Aid Beauty Pores Be Gone Matte Primer new $3
First Aid Beauty Pores Be Gone Matte Primer swatched $2
Too Faced Hangover Primer mini NIB $4
Rest Recipe Peach Mask - $3
St.Tropez Self Tan Classic 2x, about 3/4 full $15 obo, this is pink because it leaked during shipment
Tonymoly banana hand cream 4x name your price
DpHUE ACV Hair Rinse new $3
Loreal Sublime Bronze minis x 6 new, some caps have come off $3 for all 6
Vita Liberata Body blur used 1x $1
Hum Daily Cleanse new $3
Kenra Blow Dry Spray about 1/3 left $name your price
 
Item Usage Price
Makeup Bags/all new and unused: - -
Ipsy June 2020 new $1
Geometric Print bags new $1
Ipsy November 2019(leopard) new $1
SOLDIpsy April 2020(purple) new $1
Ipsy May 2019(pink sparkle) new $1
Ipsy March 2020(teal) new $1
Ipsy unknown date??Fuzzy red/pink bag new $1
 
Item Shade Usage
Freebies: - -
Giorgio Armani Power Fabric sample 3.5, 13 new
Nars Sheer Glow Samples Syracuse, New Caledonia new
Hair Rituel Shampoo - new
 
Wishlist for SWAPS ONLY please   Please, only looking for authentic items(so purchased directly from a manufacturer or retailer other than: Amazon(unless AB items),ebay,or Wish). If you have Hourglass, DOC, Colourpop, ABH, J*, Lime Crime, etc. items, please send detailed picture verification(out of tube, any writing, bottom, wands, box if you have it).
 
Anastasia Beverly Hills: Rosewood bronzer, (lips):Rouge,Peachy, Bordeaux, Toffee gloss (eyes):Soft Glam palette, Subculture palette, Luminous Foundation in 330W
 
Belif: Moisturizing Eye Bomb, Aqua Bomb Jelly Cleanser
 
Chanel: mascaras
 
Charlotte Tilbury: Light Wonder 6
 
Colourpop:Stranger Than Diction kit, or anything from the kit! (lips):November,Alyssa,Lovebug (eyes)Amaze, I like You
 
Dose of Colors: Campfire lipstick or shade dupes in non-matte lipstick, Angelic lipstick, Cinnamon Swirl
 
Essie: Claim to Flaim, Soles on Fire, Get A Psy-kik Out of It
 
Etude House: Moistful Collagen Cream Moisturizer
 
Farmacy: Eye Dew Total Eye Cream with Echinacea GreenEnvy, Honey Drop Lightweight moisturizer
 
Fenty: Hydrating Foundation in 290 or 310, (Lip)Shawty,Up 2 No Good,Saw-C,Pumpkin Rose (cheek/face): Match Stix in Amber,Maple, Sun Snatched, Bronze Duo in Shadybiz & Sinamon, (eyes): Flyliner, try me on other products!
 
Giorgio Armani:** Luminous Silk shade 7.8**, maybe 6.5, Giorgio Armani Black Ecstasy Mascara
 
Glossier: Cloud Paint in Dusk, Generation G lipstick in Leo or Cake, Milky Jelly Cleanser
 
Hada Labo: Rohto Gokujun Hyaluronic Lotion Moist,sunscreen,Gokujyun Hyaluronic Cream-may consider Alpha cream
 
Hourglass:,(lips):I'll Never Stop lipstick, I've never lipstick, Girl Lip Stylos in:Futurist,Believer, Peacemaker,Influencer. Child lipgloss(eyes):Modernist Eyeshadow palette in Color Field (olive)
 
Jeffree Star: Fully Nude, Allegedly, Designer Blood, Unicorn Blood, Birthday Suit, Pumpkin Pie, Celebrity Skin, Mannequin(LL's or creams)
 
Korres: Greek Yoghurt Smoothie Priming Moisturizer
 
KVD: ELLs or creams: Hawkwind, Underage Red, Sacred Heart, Noble, Ludwig, Milagro, Ophelia, Plath
 
Laneige:balancing emulsion
 
Lime Crime: Venus 1, Plushies lipsticks, lip glosses, mermaid brushes, brow pen and brow gel in the dark brown shades
 
MAC: Paramount, Wild Extract, CB96, A Girl's Got Needs, Flamingo, Paramount, Marrakesh, Razzle Dazzler,The Right Note,Prep + Prime(radiant, preferably), NC40-42 foundations or samples
 
Makeup Forever: Forever Lustrous Palette, Ultra HD Foundation in Y373 or Y383
 
Makeup Geek: Saucy lipstick
 
Mario Badescu: Glycolic Eye Cream, neck cream (neither from Amazon,please,I've had bad luck buying MB things there)
 
Milk Makeup: Mars & other holographic sticks, Watermelon Mask, Wavy lipstick, rave eye pigment, try me on their other items!
 
NARS: Narsissist Loaded Eyeshadow Palette, Cassiopeia eyeshadow,Phoebe eyeshadow, Elsa eyeshadow duo, Natural Radiant Longwear Foundation or Sheer Glow in Stromboli or Messine, Paris Follies lipstick, Jeanne lipstick, Slow Ride lipstick Afterglow Lip balm in Laguna (Highlight): Forte De France
 
NYX: Daydream Reverie, Buenos Aires, Kim, (eyes):Iced Mocha, Black Bean
 
Origins: Eye cream
 
Pur: Mystic lipstick
 
Shiseido: Ultimate Sun Protection Lotion Broad Spectrum SPF 50+ WetForce for Sensitive Skin and Children
 
Smashbox: Photofinish Primer Oil (lips): Out Loud, also looking for Studio Skin hydrating foundation in a close color value to 3.20, but less warm, maybe yellow? I find 3.20 too orangey.
 
Sol de Janeiro:Panama Sunset Glow Oil-prefer translucent, but either one, Coco Cabana Cream
 
Stila: Sogno, Bellissima, Rubino, Angelo lipsticks, mini liquid liner in black
 
Tarte: Manbun lipstick, Brazilliance, BB Cream(not the matte one) in light,Rainforest After Dark palette, Amazonian Clay Foundation in Medium Tan Sand or Tan Golden
 
Tatcha: Silk Canvas
 
Tonymoly: Panda's Dream Rose Hyaluronic Face Cream, face masks
 
Too Faced: Clover palette, Clover makeup bag, Papa Don't Peach blush, Peach palette,Gold Soliel Bronzer, Pretty Puppy palette
 
Urban Decay: Black coal eyeliner, Naked Palettes(any except Basics 1), Conspiracy lipstick, Heat lipstick, Sin Highlighter, FS or DS
 
Viseart: Petit Pro 1
 
Wella: Brilliance Leave In Balm
 
YSL: ,lipsticks, Touche Éclat Lumiere Divine Highlighting Finishing Powder Palette
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2020.08.31 23:47 jthawaii [WTS] 90% Walking Liberty & Franklin Halves (20.5x) , Route 66 Set, & World Silver Junk

Well, lets try this again with silver up today, the halves and world junk are pretty close to are UNDER spot price. Payment is by PPFF or PPGS +3%, Venmo, CashApp, or Zelle (maybe). Shipping is $5 for a single roll and $8 for anything more, and insurance is extra if requested.
Route 66 Shield set of 8 plus the extra 1oz round in the license plate shaped box. $350 for the set.
https://imgur.com/yAsiLkE
https://imgur.com/ggsMNxD
Walking Liberty Halves $205/roll, 5 rolls available
https://imgur.com/P2efUT3
Franklin Halves $205/roll, 4 rolls available
https://imgur.com/Vp3cOvA
World Junk Silver Lot - about 5.5 ASW - $150
https://imgur.com/YK7KAf6
92.5% Silver
1916 Canada Half ASW 0.3456
1907 Canada Quarter ASW 0.1734
1904 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1902 Great Britain 3 pence ASW 0.042
90% Silver
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
80% Silver
1944 Canada half ASW 0.3
1961 Canada Half ASW 0.3
10x Mixed Date Canada Quarter ASW 0.15/ea
15x Mixed Date Canada Dime ASW 0.06/ea
72% Silver
1940 Un Peso ASW 0.3857
1953 Morocco 100 Francs ASW 0.0926
65% Silver
1945 2.5 escudos Portugal ASW 0.0731
60% Silver
1900 25 Ore Denmark ASW 0.0467
50% Silver
6x 1968 Canada Quarter ASW 0.0937
1942 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1938 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1963 6 pence ASW 0.0455
1934 6 pence ASW 0.0455
30% Silver
1950 Mexico 50 Centavo ASW 0.0642
10% Silver
1958 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1959 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1962 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1963 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
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2020.08.29 00:14 jthawaii [WTS] 90% Walking Liberties & Franklins @ 20.5x Face & World Silver Lot

Payment is by PPFF or PPGS +3%, Venmo, CashApp, or Zelle (maybe). Shipping is $5 for a single roll and $8 for anything more, and insurance is extra if requested.
Walking Liberty Halves $205/roll, 5 rolls available
https://imgur.com/40o6JsR
Franklin Halves $205/roll, 5 rolls available
https://imgur.com/pYAQwp1
World Junk Silver Lot - about 5.5 ASW - $160
https://imgur.com/PxKbsdH
92.5% Silver
1916 Canada Half ASW 0.3456
1907 Canada Quarter ASW 0.1734
1904 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1902 Great Britain 3 pence ASW 0.042
90% Silver
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
80% Silver
1944 Canada half ASW 0.3
1961 Canada Half ASW 0.3
10x Mixed Date Canada Quarter ASW 0.15/ea
15x Mixed Date Canada Dime ASW 0.06/ea
72% Silver
1940 Un Peso ASW 0.3857
1953 Morocco 100 Francs ASW 0.0926
65% Silver
1945 2.5 escudos Portugal ASW 0.0731
60% Silver
1900 25 Ore Denmark ASW 0.0467
50% Silver
6x 1968 Canada Quarter ASW 0.0937
1942 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1938 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1963 6 pence ASW 0.0455
1934 6 pence ASW 0.0455
30% Silver
1950 Mexico 50 Centavo ASW 0.0642
10% Silver
1958 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1959 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1962 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1963 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
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2020.08.28 19:32 jthawaii [WTS] Route 66, Apollo 5 oz, World Junk, 10 oz QB Unicorn, 90% Kennedys, & More

Getting down to the bottom of my sell stack, more good stuff for sale. Payment is by PPFF or PPGS +3%, Venmo, CashApp, or Zelle (maybe). Shipping for single ounces is $3, 2 oz to 5 oz is $5, $8 for anything over (including the Apollo), and insurance is extra if requested.
Route 66 Shield set of 8 plus the extra 1oz round in the license plate shaped box. $350 for the set.
https://imgur.com/sqp86Rb
https://imgur.com/Q6vImAA
2019 Apollo 11 5 oz Domed Coin - $260
https://imgur.com/EswXTYH
https://imgur.com/udp7q7M
10 oz Queens Beast Unicorn - $375
5 oz Aztec Calendar - $160
5 oz Hawaii Volcanoes National Park ATB - $325
https://imgur.com/nI31Lgz
1997 Chinese Panda - $45
2012 Lunar 2 - Year of the Dragon - $40
2013 Lunar 2 - Year of the Snake - $40
2019 Niue Lion King - $40
2019 Niue Mickey Fantasia - $40
2018 Korean Tiger - $35/each 2 available
2018 Incuse Maple - $30
https://imgur.com/pRgoCO9
90% Kennedy Halfs - Higher Quality - $205/roll, 2 rolls available
https://imgur.com/k0vbbni
World Junk Silver Lot - about 5.5 ASW - $160
https://imgur.com/PxKbsdH
92.5% Silver
1916 Canada Half ASW 0.3456
1907 Canada Quarter ASW 0.1734
1904 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1918 Canada Dime ASW 0.0691
1902 Great Britain 3 pence ASW 0.042
90% Silver
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
1953 Panama 1/10 Balboa 0.0723
80% Silver
1944 Canada half ASW 0.3
1961 Canada Half ASW 0.3
10x Mixed Date Canada Quarter ASW 0.15/ea
15x Mixed Date Canada Dime ASW 0.06/ea
72% Silver
1940 Un Peso ASW 0.3857
1953 Morocco 100 Francs ASW 0.0926
65% Silver
1945 2.5 escudos Portugal ASW 0.0731
60% Silver
1900 25 Ore Denmark ASW 0.0467
50% Silver
6x 1968 Canada Quarter ASW 0.0937
1942 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1938 Grt.Britain 3 pence ASW 0.0227
1963 6 pence ASW 0.0455
1934 6 pence ASW 0.0455
30% Silver
1950 Mexico 50 Centavo ASW 0.0642
10% Silver
1958 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1959 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1962 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
1963 Mexico Un Peso 0.0514
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2020.08.26 02:55 deadoralivegirl I lost my best friend and someone I fought so HARD to be with.

My bf (m30) and I (f30), started dating 2 years ago. I knew he had issues with his drinking, and I had known him for almost 8-9 months. We didn't see each other for 3 months and when we reconnected, he was taking medication to curb and stop his drinking (naltrexone and gabapentin). He was working out, he was healthy, he looked like to be on top of his things.
We spent our first 2 weeks seeing each other after my work at the city's garden (it was complete magical). He would bring me food, fruit salad, told me I was appreciated, and we kissed and made out for hours.He needed a roommate for August 1st and so did I (was moving out of my old place), and we were initially looking for a 2 bedroom (and planning to be friends with benefits since we were attracted to each other). But ended up looking for a one bedroom since the feelings that we sparked for each other sprouted like wildfire.
We moved in together August 2018, life was good, great cook, great sex, great connection like fireworks. He started working as a dishwasher at a bistro, and I was still working for a bank. He wanted to be a chef, and I supported his dreams.Sometime in August, we went to meet one of his old friends and he drank ( on medication, which makes him sick if he abuses ), he got sick after drinking too much and started immediately throwing up so we went home. He was bedridden for a couple of days but I took care of him and he didn't go back to the liquor store or anything.Then another one of his old friends came around mid September, and he always drank to be 'tough' around this type of friend. So he drank a bit, went on a small road trip with the friend but once he came home didn't drink further.At his job as a dishwasher, he quickly got promoted to cook, and was doing well for himself, would have a drink here and there at work but the medication would make the drink taste bad so he never really abused drinking at work.
Around October 2018, his work started slowing down (because it was in a tourist area), so he was barely getting hours to make the bills, so he had a bender (his benders usually last a week) and when I came home some glasses were broken but nothing insane. He then did some shady things for money with one of the people he knew from a while back, because his mindset was somewhat evil and hurtful of others. When I got home he was passed out on the couch drunk, had lost his phone and his knuckles were bloody, he had a wad of cash (a few hundred), probably from beating someone. That was the first big red flag that I chose to ignore, since sober he was a wonderful, calm, funny person, the type that would help an elderly person cross the street and hold their hand. Would watch cartoons (movies with sex and violence he always steered from I guess because he had lived way more intensely than that during his army days).
Once he sobered up, he started doing some handiwork and being self employed so he could make his share of the rent (at least he always came up with the money one way or another). He used to work in construction in the past so he had good experience with various jobs. We would go visit his friend at the island and his friend had a huge strong beer keg. He would drink, do the work half drunk with the saw sander, dropped my phone in it by accident (was listening to music and damaged my camera, no biggie got it replaced). I would always worry he'd get really hurt, but he got away with some extra scratches. On the ferry ride back he'd be obliterated so I'd basically be alone on the way back.
Then he continue to go to his friend at the island to do work, while I held the home front. I was always supportive of his dreams. At this point he wanted to venture into a 'renovation business'. He would go and work 1- 2 days for his friend and then he would start acting weird and would disappear. I knew he was drinking. Then when it was time for him to come back he was so drunk that he wasn't allowed in the ferry to come come and would have to wait for a later one. It was so stressful, because I wouldn't know where he was, he wouldn't answer his phone for hours, so I'd have no idea that I had to pick him up or not. This one time he only got home close to midnight while I had to go work next morning at 7am. This ferry situation happened at least 2-3 times. once he called me at 4pm saying he was back in town for me to go and pick him up....the ferry would LEAVE at 4pm and not arrive...he was still on the other side of the bay.
I would threaten him to say I was going to leave but I never did... I loved him too much and the moment he was sober again I'd sweep my feelings and the shit he would do to me under the rug.End of Octobe early November, I had a trip already booked from before we started seeing each other and I didn't want to postpone it. In order to be sober and stay sober and avoid a shit show, he went to his parents for a good part of those 2 weeks I was gone. He did some handiwork for one of their properties (his parents are well off and got their shit together), and they paid him in check. He decided to come home early from that and started acting weird on text again, I knew something was up. My anxiety was so bad during the trip and my family was complaining I lost a ton of weight (at least 13-14 lbs). They were thinking I was anorexic and had no idea why I had lost so much weight. Biggest reason was because I'd come home and have to take care of him being drunk, and he would ask me to help him to the bathroom, bathe him, etc. So sometimes I wouldn't eat all day until 10-11pm.
Anyways, going back to him being off the grid again, gave me so much anxiety. I called the only friend I knew that would check up on him. His friend was a guy on recovery as well but was a few months sober already at that point. Out of nowhere, his friend decided to relapse, skipped work and went straight to my home to check up on him. For some reason my bf decided to go with him to his apartment where this guy lived and this guy started doing heroin. My bf was pissed that he had to 'babysit' this guy while he did heavy drugs but other than that didn't say much. His friend ended up messaging me later saying that my bf was sleeping and was very vague about what was going on. At one point when I was waiting for my last flight home, his friend told me that my bf decided to do heroin while drunk (my bf never did heavy drugs), and his heart had stopped. Luckily this friend was first aid certified, had a mouth to mouth mask and kept my bf alive with naloxone and CPR until the ambulance 'shocked him', and he came back. My bf was taken to the hospital, but when the friend went to the hospital to check on him my bf was gone. He had 'discharged' himself (he absolutely hates hospitals).
I came home from my trip, counting the minutes til I got home, the taxi ride home felt like forever. When I got home, I saw that the front door had been kicked in so the wood panel that holds the door closed was broken (so that way the door never stayed 'closed'. The house was trashed - clothes everywhere broken glass - I found him passed out on the couch. I took a deep breath. He broke the door because he forgot his keys he kicked the door in. I had just had a 15 -20 hour trip home and had set a counter of 30 minutes to clean up as much as I could to keep my sanity. I am OCD and I don't mind mess but I hate dirty stuff, dirty plates etc. He woke up with the cleaning and was happy to see me. I was just happy he was alive. The drinking unfortunately didn't stop even though he almost lost his life, and a few days later of drinking I put his stash in the kitchen and when he woke up and saw it wasn't there, he got up super angry, towered over me and he grabbed me by the neck and dug his nail on my throat. I punched him 3x in the face and he let me go - it was the first time he assaulted me. I called the police but ended up not pressing charges. I didn't want to ruin his life.
He ended up staying at his parents until the restraining order was lifted (it took a week or so). He made a ton of promises when that was over that this wasn't going to stop us, that we 'we will have the life we both want', and reminding me of the summer days when we first started seeing each other at the garden. He said he got a church, a smart recovery meeting, and would do volunteer for salvation army. All broken promises - he only kept the church one.
During December, he ended up applying with a company so he could do sales, but he still had 2 or so benders after that. One of the benders, he cut his wrists with a knife in one instance, then went into a rage mode when I dumped his wine because I had enough of it. He grabbed the 1.5L bottle from my hands and 'ice crushed' it on the sink until all the plates in it were broken and the bottle too. Then he looks down on his hands and he was bleeding because cut himself while breaking the bottle. I threw him out of the house, and he broke the door in while I was trying to keep him outside, he broke in and started opening and closing the fridge so hard that everything inside was flying out. I yelled at him to stop and nothing, so I punched him in the face and he flew back.
Eventually he calmed down and paramedics came and treated his wounds. He then he started at his new job in sales in January 2019 (he used to be in the army, then worked construction), and his life started taking off, started making good money etc. Started buying a collection of suits (Hugo Boss, Armani etc), watch collection (Movado etc), it was like watching a movie when you see someone go from a dishwasher to top salesman in the company making 100k a year. I was so happy for him, so proud of him for doing that for himself, seeing him grow and putting his violent past behind him.
Around February 2019, he got into another bender, and he told his job that he wasn't feeling well - bad Chinese food from last night, he would say. Or use family getting sick to excuse himself from work. Throughout all of this his benders would last at least a week usually. He always went through the same cycles: started with I'm not drinking ever again, then that would transform into drinking is not a problem I can have a bit, I can control it, then drunk, coma drunk, then cancer patient mode (shakes, sweats, no sleep), then sad and depressed and repent, then back to normal I'm not drinking again.
Sometime in June 2019, I had a high school reunion on a weekend and there was a Raptors basketball game (not sure it was some final), he bought booze, went to a friends and we met at home. Monday came around, as I got ready to go to work, he sat on the couch and he said he wanted 'to chill' at home that day. I knew what that meant - he was going to drink and get drunk. I took his wallet and went to work thinking that would foil his plans (me being a dumbass). He had found a coin purse that same weekend and bought booze. At that point I didn't know he was deciding to go to work in his condition. He calls me at one point, and he's furious that he didn't have his debit card to buy subway. He was just a couple of blocks from me. I told him I was on my way.
I excused myself from work, and on the way there I hear the usual downtown sirens. When I show up at the subway by work, there's a huge commotion on the street. Ambulance, paramedics, police. I get to the Subway he wasn't there. When I walked outside I see him sitting on a wooden chair, and someone icing his head. Blood everywhere. He went into rage mode at Subway and someone punched him and he hit his head hard on the concrete. I felt the blood draining from my face. There was a huge gash on the back of his head. I had to run back to work to excuse myself for the rest of the day, and get my purse to go meet him at the hospital.
Once I get to the hospital, it wasn't hard finding him. He was yelling at nurses how he was from gangs - Red Scorpion, HA. He was completely delusional. The doctor wanted to keep him at the hospital so they could scan his head to see if there was any brain hemorrhage. He refused. He asked to be stapled (no anesthesia), and signed a waiver releasing the hospital from any liabilities. He got 8 staples, and he had a very bad concussion. The first thing he asked me when we came home was money for booze as if NOTHING had happened. Out of anger I slapped him (totally regret it) I was angry, I was pissed off, I felt like he traded me off for the bottle again. All the plans we were heaving he was drinking them away. He wanted to get engaged with me at one point, and I said that couldn't happen until he was sober for a very long time.
As the next day progressed I stayed home to take care of him. He'd still kept drinking even with a concussion. He got worse and worse, he was barely moving, barely talking, I had no idea how concussions worked until I saw it happening in front of me. When he talked he would have a hard time forming words. I cried and cried and cried thinking it was going to be permanent damage.During the 10 days or so that took him to get better, he asked for booze money. If I didn't give it to him he would punch walls, throw my phone, he broke a lot of my personal possessions. Purses, makeup, etc. At one point he punched the wall so hard he dislocated his arm and I had to panic look on Youtube how to get his arm back in the socket. He was crying and screaming in pain...He eventually he got better, stopped drinking, and got back to work.
July came around, he was doing good for himself and we had a planned Panama back in April. Too late to cancel at that point. In hindsight he initially told me that he didn't want to go and I ignored his feelings, firstly because I felt like I never got to enjoy and do the things I wanted - we hardly ever went out. We always stayed home and I was always a nurse, cleaner, supporter. I felt completely unappreciated. Secondly, because I was scared of leaving him alone again. Thirdly, because I had taken him to things before that he said he didn't want to do but ended up enjoying himself and having sober fun. (For example going to our local roller coaster park during Halloween). Also we never got to do many fun things - go to restaurants, eat out, go out with friends, clubbing because of his addiction. I respected that and never bought booze home. Would seldom have a drink if he was already drinking or he'd offer me. I was living for him, and I wanted to at least have SOMETHING go my way for once. A lot of it me being 'blinded', by him always promising that it was over, he wouldn't drink again, that we'd have a great future.
On the flight to Panama, he got mad because I asked the flight attendant to not serve him alcohol, so when she came by to ask what we wanted to have, she froze when he asked her if he could get anything. He got angry because he felt 'clowned'. And started drinking the moment we landed and waited for our connecting flight.
We decided that he'd take a naltrexone when we got to Panama so it'd help stop the drinking and curb it (he had stopped the meds long ago at that point - because in his head if he had stomachache the 'medicine' was drinking). So that set him over the top because it gave him a lot of sickness, he stayed in bed and drinking every single day we were there. I was miserable. He caused trouble at the Air BNB we stayed at - a list of it. Didn't pay bar tab at hotel next door so the attendants followed him back late at night woke me and family up, run after a car after throwing his sandals at it because we got honked at so the car could go through (we were walking on the driveway).
It was a real nightmare. He has always been a loud obnoxious and eventually angry and aggressive drunk. After the car situation I walked back to the Air BNB and took a elevator and didn't wait for him. He punched the door and tried to force open the elevator so me and some other people got stuck. Then he got angry at me because I got angry at him for puking all over the washroom, bathtub, walk in shower, clothes everywhere. I actually had to clean out of shame for the place we were staying at. Then when I finally lay in bed, we were still talking back and forth and he got angry at me he punched the wood headboard so hard I had to put my hands in my mouth to hide my cry and not let my family hear us fighting.He ended up humiliating me in front of my family, said that I wasn't good enough without him, that I liked money (who doesn't like money??? when I got together with him he had zero money and I had to put most of the deposit on our first place by myself), he said he was going to ruin me and my job (we worked for the same company), he would be verbally abusive when drunk.At the airport in Panama as we were getting dropped off, he went to a bar, walked out on the tab, and the waitress found us. He was angry that 'I held all of our money and didn't give him my credit card so he could drink. (He had lost his ID's debit card on the previous bender and never bothered to get them back). So I wasn't about to trust him with my high limit credit card.We flew back and he drank the whole time during the plane, lounges etc. When we got home I was in such a bad emotional state that I'd let out pain sighs. All he would say is 'I am sorry' 'I am sorry'. He over compensated the next day with a ton of sex (as if that would make up for what he did).
Eventually I told him I was going to move out on my own. He asked if it was a breakup I said no, but that I needed my own space and peace. I still wanted to help him because I know that at his core he is a person who still wants to be loved and cared for, he is a softie when sober. And also because for some reason I always perceived him as 2 distinct personalities - sober and drunk. So it was hard to see him as a whole. End of July as the moving date neared, he stayed home an started drinking again. I was trying to hit a sales target at work so I was barely home (working Sundays included). One day I came home and it was trashed as usual, and when I jumped in the shower he started punching the shower glass calling me a goof (while he was sitting on the toilet). I ended up calling the police and his friend came and picked him up. Little did he know what was going on. My bf always twisted his stories to make everyone be the evil and he was the innocent wronged by the world.
August 2019 he moved in with his friend, and we maintained our relationship (yea I'm a sucker for him and a fucking idiot). He straightened himself out and didn't drink from August - December. He worked his ass off and barely had any days off in order to avoid drinking. We would fight a lot over minor things and over what happened in Panama.
Then in December, we had a Xmas party he had a bit too much, and drank the whole weekend but was able to return to work on Monday (usually the drinking would just continue for the week) - which I was VERY surprised. Still thinking he had changed and was able to at least go back to work on Monday. We were working a lot so we spent new years at home sleeping.
He ended up having issues with his roommate (not alcohol related for once) and then moved in with me mid January 2020, things were fine, had a bender in February for a full week, after we went to his friends birthday party. He drank a ton and his friend gave him some coke...he was fine drinking at first and slowly I could feel him losing himself. He got ULTRA angry because he wanted to continue party with his buddies and I wanted to go home. Then he said I was controlling him etc, I just didn't want him to get in anymore trouble - he gets aggressive. So he started berating me at home, said he was going to break up with me. Just complete demon. Next day he was buying me flowers for valentines...He stayed home while I went to work, and the home was destroyed... Piss all over toilet, puke in sink, puke in bathtub, burnt food on stove. I had a panic attack at work because my job was very demanding and I still had to get cleaners because I couldn't keep up with the mess.
Then March and COVID came like a brick wall and we started working from home. April he had a week bender, May he had a week bender, June he had 2 weeks bender (one in the beginning and end of the month). All of these benders meant that I had to work my 9-5pm, then clean up after him, bathe him, take him to washroom, and still try and find time for me to practice my Yoga. One of the instances I took his wallet and left him for the rest of the day coming back after 11pm (when liquor store closes). He hit me with a remote when I got home and I hit him back. He flung over the couch "fucking bitch", almost punched me in the face but I had my arms around it, then he grabbed a bunch of my hair while I tried to get him off of me. He was all scratched from me defending myself, I tried to call police he took my phone and didn't let me call them, then I tried to go on my work computer and he unplugged everything. Then I tried running into the hall and he grabbed me by the arm and threw me inside I fell on the floor.
The police showed up and said for us to be careful because someone could get an assault charge the way we were going. So he took some things and went to sleep at his friends. I went there the next day, he was all sweet like a teddy, we came home and that was that.Keep in mind that June was his 30th birthday and he kept saying how he "didn't want to bring any of this into the new decade", we had a wonderful dinner at his parents, lobster and steak, it was the most amazing time seeing his photos when he was a toddler. Then the next day we come home after spending a night there and having a 'dry' birthday. His parents and everyone were always accommodating never brought anything to drink for any family event (birthdays, Christmas, etc). Then after a short nap he wakes up and says hes going to the grocery that is 400m away from home and he is a fast shopper. Guess what he went to get booze as well, because after he came home he went straight to the washroom to drink. Then he tried using perfume to 'mask it' like I'm some kind of idiot. Then he wanted to go for a 'walk' to get more. I tried to talk to him, tried to tell him to 'play the tape', and that 'he didn't want to bring this The drinking didn't stop until July first. I started hurting myself at this point. Never had before. Didn't get to the point of cutting myself but I made very thin scratch lines on my wrist. The stress was so much. I didn't know how else to relieve it.
Then in mid July 2020, my family was buying an apartment overseas,and my grandma was in the ICU - so I wanted to be close to family while also taking some time off here. It wasn't doing me any good. The day after I leave he was drinking, then his work tried to get a hold of him because he was missing for days again (he never works drunk and doesn't answer phone or talk to anyone) and said sorry you need to take care of yourself come back when you are doing better.
Then I was a bit hurt because he called me yelling at me that i was controlling his life from across the world (he lost his phone so I removed his apple pay for security purposes but then later found the phone 3-4 days later). Then he forgot his wallet at his friends and came home with cellphone only and got pissed when he tried to buy alcohol next day. He said if I didn't fix it for him, he would destroy the whole apartment. So when he got better, he cleaned the whole apartment and he sent me photos saying he did it because he loved me.
I wasn't too chummy, I just minded my own business and he would message me asking if i missed him and I would reply yes, I miss you a lot. But then apparently these were 'red flags' - he started thinking that I was cheating on him for no reason whatsoever saying 'his mind is filling in the blanks' because I didn't take as many photos in this trip (how??? with covid lockdown and all I wasn't even able to see all of my family), even though I would talk to him almost all day long everyday just not being chummy like I used to.
So on the Friday before I got home - July 31 (I was supposed to get home by Sunday morning because of COVID the flights were messed up and missed a connection and only got here Monday), he started yelling at me because I think he just missed me and wanted me to come home I guess and he was anxious for that. I took it the wrong way, I said "your happiness is not my responsibility, I already go above and beyond for you as a girlfriend", then it was his turn to be angry at that. Because of his yelling and making it sound like I didn't want to come home quick enough (I had a layover in Sao Paulo, then Mexico City, and Toronto - so spent 1 night in each city). So Saturday I was going to Mexico City, I drank a lot on the plane and when I landed we started fighting and I said a bunch of hurtful shit to him which i do regret - just because he was fucked up with me plenty of times drunk did not give me the right to stoop to his level, I said shit that went from go to your alcohol shes waiting for you, to your life was inconvenienced enough by alcohol and you still go to it.
Sunday and up until i jumped on the final plane Monday, we were fighting over text and he got mad because I made a joke with my best friend (he hates my best friend because he has loved me since grade 11- I'm now 30 but always made sure that it was platonic only).He would constantly block me and hang up on me and wanted me to hear him and him only. Tried to get me to apologize for going on this trip and that it was selfish. But then I'd feel that i was never heard when I dealt with all of his shit being drunk and him just 'saying sorry' he got away so many fucking times.
I got home on Monday and we had an amazing day, he bought me flowers, made burgers, we watched anime, it felt like everything was somewhat going bk to normal except that he was drinking moderately. He didn't touch much on the subject of the fights etc, had a great day and ton of sex etc.Then Tuesday the problems started - he had a meeting with his psych and she didn't advise us to spend quarantine together. So he came home started saying that he was leaving etc, that someone was picking him up at 5 - taking his things off the closet (now i know it was emotional blackmail).
I tried talking to him, he was drinking and 'trying to leave' but never leaving. He asked me to write a letter saying that I can't kick him out and that this is his home too (but he was taking his things to leave???) which confused me a lot. Then I wrote the letter, and then he kept asking me rude things like 'did you open your legs, did you take ds on your trip, he 'tasted' me to see if I had someone cum in me. I told him I was 100% faithful to him from day one and he wouldn't believe me 'because his mind was filling in the gaps', and his psych also said that there were too many red flags in our relationship (me 'controlling' him, etc) and it was better he left etc.
So at one point on Tuesday he started calling me a whore (for one day having a one night stand off someone on craigslist 4 years ago), when he had done much worse himself. I told him to leave and stop bothering me because I tried doing everything I could for him to stay. He tried to close the bathroom door on me, I stood on the way and asked him to leave again. He pushed me and that got the washroom door of the railing and gave me a bruise. I called the police saying that our relationship was over but he wasn't leaving, and he called the cops saying I bear maced him in our apartment ( I never even bought pepper spray), and that i punched him.
The police saw that there was no bear mace deployed and the canister that we had at home was his from his 'old days'. He went to spend the night at his friends, and the police told me to change the locks, not let him in and he could only come with the police to pick his belongings up.
Wednesday August 5th - he calls me at 6:30 am saying he has an interview at 9 and that he needed his suits and that I couldn't stop him from that. I told him he needed to come with police and he said he just needed to get that, so I let him in. He got ready and the 9am didn't happen, so he went to liquor store bought more and came home (he blackmailed me to get the keys back). Then at 2 pm he got interview completely drunk, then at 3 he said he was hungry, loved me etc, I ordered doordash but there was a weird outage that lasted an hour, where it logged me out of the app after i ordered.
As i was checking my phone and trying to call doordash customer service, and call and text my delivery guy, my bf grabbed my phone and my phone was stuck on my finger because of that ring thing that holds it up. I defensively put my phone behind my back because he went from 0-100 very quick so I put my knee up to protect myself. He bit my knee, and then after that he got a hold of my hand he bit my hand super hard (around the 4th knuckle) and the ring in the back of my phone broke off.He smiled sarcastically and asked if i was going to call the police, I called the police and he got arrested on assault with bodily harm charges. He is now on a restraining order, and he picked his things up this past Sunday 23rd. This opened up all of my emotional wounds, because I'm just having a hard time letting him go. I love him too much. I am having guilt and shame for pressing charges this time.
Sorry for very long post, I might edit here and there but this is the gist of what happened to me. I am just trying to heal and move on with my life, this has been a very difficult experience because I still do believe he can overcome his drinking but it can't be done with me. I have been a nurse, cleaner, psw and it isn't healthy for me. Did we have good moments? Yes several of them that I will remember fondly. He was loving, supporting, great company, great listener, great talker. I love every single bit of his sober self. I will carry and cherish all the good moments in my heart. Without booze he is an amazing human being, loved by all at work and admired. He has a personality that can light up a room, super charismatic, great jokes, great listener, we never really fought when he was sober. unless alcohol was somehow involved.
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2020.08.25 00:10 PastelSprite [US][Sale/Swap]Dior,Smashbox,It,Nars,Mac,Fenty,ABH,UD,Glossier,Lancome,Benefit,Bare Minerals,St.Tropez, Milk Makeup,PTR,AB Skincare/beauty,The Ordinary,Too Faced,kenra,Ipsy bags, freebies + wishlist for swaps

Feel free to make reasonable offers! I am downsizing and would like to let this stuff go, so reasonable offers/offers on bundles and stuff especially are completely encouraged :D For swaps, at the top of my list are: Glossier,Milk Makeup,Fenty,ABH,Nars,Tarte(foundations/samples ok) complete list at bottom,bolded)
 
 
SALE:
 
Item Shade Usage Price
Makeup:Face: - - -
Dior Forever Skin Glow Foundation 2WO/2 warm olive Used 2-3x $30 Retail:$52
Fenty Beauty Pro Filt'r Soft Matte Longwear Foundation 145 Used a few x, about 2/3 full $20
Nars Sheer Glow Fiji Used a few x,approx. 2/3 full $25
Mac Pro Longwear Nourishing Waterproof Foundation NC25 3x, 3/4 left $12
It Cosmetics CC Cream FS Medium about 1/2 left $18
Nars Pure Radiant Tinted Moisturizer St. Moritz used 2x,near full $30
SOLD Makeup Forever Ultra HD Perfector Mini 06 1x $1
Smashbox Studio Skin 15 hr. Hyrdrating Foundation 3.02 2x $25
Revlon Age Defying w/ DNA Advantage 10 Bare Buff Swatched free w/purchase or just pay shipping
Clarria Tinted Primer Light Swatched $1 or FWP
Maybelline Fit Me Matte 118 about 1/2 $2
Rimmel Stay Matte Foundation 103 True Ivory 1x $FWP or just pay shipping
Loreal True Match Lumi N1-2 Soft Ivory Close to 1/2 left $2
Missha Perfect Cover BB Cream 27 2x $4
Maybelline Fit Me Matte 238 Rich Tan 1-2x $3
Maybelline Dream Radiant Liquid Hydrating Foundation 80 Cashew Swatched $4
 
Item Shade Usage Price
Lipsticks: - - -
Bare Minerals Mineralist mini Honesty swatched $2
SOLDBite Beauty Amuse Bouche mini Sake swatched $2
Sephora Rouge Matte mini Rebel Chic Swatched,but continuously falls out of tube.This has caused it to be shorter and nicked $0.50
Urban Decay Vice Lipstick Firebird Usage shown(about 3x) $6
Urban Decay Comfort Matte Menace Usage shown $7
Urban Decay Vice Lipstick Mini Big Bang 1-2x $3
Fenty Beauty Mattemoiselle Plush Matte PMS 2x $10
YSL Volupte Tint In Oil mini #5 Cherry my Cherrie 1x $3
Sephora Cream Lip Stain 45 Chai Latte 1x $1
Tarte Tarteist Glossy Slay 5x $8
Stila Matte LL Aria 2x $12
SOLDToo Faced Naughty Kisses & Sweet Cheeks Duo Gloss: Like a Boss, Blush: Dream Lover 1x for cheek, 0-1x lip $3
Maybelline Vivid Matte LL 45 Vivid Violet 1x $2
Ipsy x Tetris Glip Gloss Tetrimono NIB $5
Perfect Tone Matte Lip Creme 5409 Black Radiance(dark purple) 1x $FWP or just pay shipping
SOLD Etude House Dear Darling Water Tint Cherry Aide 1x $2
Vintage Beauty? Pink Sequin 3x $free
Loreal Infallible Matte LL 844 Sweet Tooth 4x $2
Elf Lipgloss Nude Pink usage shown $free
Wet n Wild Liquid Catsuit 924B Rebel Rose 1x $2
Wet N Wild Liquid Catswuit Coral Corruption 2x $2
Wet N Wild 403C Will You Be With Me shown $free
Covergirl Smoochies Alter Ego shown $free
Maybelline Matte 835 Sapphire Siren shown $2
Adesse NY unsure, cool pink shown $1
 
Item Shade Usage Price
Eyeshadow, Eyeliner, Mascara, & Brows: - - -
Urban Decay Roller Girl Palette LE - Usage shown, hardly used $8-lowered
Urban Decay Naked Basics - shown $8
Nars Duo Marie Galante - shown-the packaging is a little sticky, as per Nars :(
Wet n Wild Downtown Browns Palette - 2-3x $4
Wet N Wild Trio 334 I'm Getting Sunburned Lid-3-4x, brow 2-3x, crease-swatched $3
Meech and Mia Single FS Taupe swatched $2
Ulta Eyeshadow Single Mint 3x $2
NYX Prismatic Eyeshadow Single Diamond Lust 1x $1
SOLD Thrive Cosmetics Legend Lash mini Black NIB $4
Benefit They're Real Mascara mini Black NIB $4
Benefit Bad Gal Bang Mascara DS Black BN $4
Glossier Boy Brow Brown 3x $5
Elf eyebrow pomade Brown shown $1
Anastasia Beverly Hills Brow Pomade Dark Brown Shown $5
Betty Boop x Ipsy Blink and Wink Mascara DS Black BN $4 OBO
Lancome Cils Booster XL Vitamin-Infused Mascara Primer DS x BN $7 $10
 
Item Shade Usage Price
Blush,Contour,Highlight: - - -
Tarte Amazonian Clay Blush Dollface shown-scraped a little product off the top b/c accidentally transferred foundation $8
SOLDMilk Makeup Lip + Cheek Stick mini Werk New $name your price
Too Faced Chocolate Soleil Bronzer Mini Medium\Deep a few x $2
Wet n Wild Color Icon Ombre Blush In a Purple Haze 2x $2
NYX Blush Taupe Hardly used, but has small crack in upper corner(pictured) $2
Space Case Cosmetics Highlighter Seen From Space 1E-light shimmery mauve $3
 
Item Usage Price
Skincare:Face, Body, Hair, Misc: - -
Pur~lisse Blue Lotus Pur Delicate Gentle Soy Milk Cleanser Used a few x, lots left, packaging a little beat from storage $10
Peter Thomas Roth Water Drench Mini New $3
Formula 10.0.6 Thirst No More Moisturizer 1 fl oz 1x,packaging has small mark from storage $3
Loshi Horse Oil Moist Face Foam Cleanser Used 2x, almost full $5
Miracle Pore minimizing serum mini New name your price
Valmont Prime Renewing Pack 1x $5
Clinique Dramatically Different Moisturizing Gel Mini swatched $3
It Confidence in a Gel Lotion mini new $3
Pyunkang Yul Essence Toner 30ml sample 1x,got this off ABE $4
The Ordinary AHA BHA Peeling Solution 1x, note:please research this before use, use as directed/with caution. My skin's very dry and it made it worse $4
Murad Renewing Eye Cream FS NIB $60(retail:$82)
Thank Me Later face primer swatched $2
SOLDFirst Aid Beauty Pores Be Gone Matte Primer new $3
First Aid Beauty Pores Be Gone Matte Primer swatched $2
Too Faced Hangover Primer mini NIB $4
Rest Recipe Peach Mask - $3
St.Tropez Self Tan Classic 2x, about 3/4 full $15 obo, this is pink because it leaked during shipment
Tonymoly banana hand cream 4x name your price
DpHUE ACV Hair Rinse new $3
Loreal Sublime Bronze minis x 6 new, some caps have come off $3 for all 6
Vita Liberata Body blur used 1x $1
Hum Daily Cleanse new $3
Kenra Blow Dry Spray about 1/3 left $name your price
 
Item Usage Price
Makeup Bags/all new and unused: - -
Ipsy June 2020 new $1
Geometric Print bags new $1
Ipsy November 2019(leopard) new $1
SOLDIpsy April 2020(purple) new $1
Ipsy May 2019(pink sparkle) new $1
Ipsy March 2020(teal) new $1
Ipsy unknown date??Fuzzy red/pink bag new $1
 
Item Shade Usage
Freebies: - -
Giorgio Armani Power Fabric sample 3.5, 13 new
Nars Sheer Glow Samples Syracuse, New Caledonia new
Hair Rituel Shampoo - new
 
Wishlist for SWAPS ONLY please   Please, only looking for authentic items(so purchased directly from a manufacturer or retailer other than: Amazon(unless AB items),ebay,or Wish). If you have Hourglass, DOC, Colourpop, ABH, J*, Lime Crime, etc. items, please send detailed picture verification(out of tube, any writing, bottom, wands, box if you have it).
 
Anastasia Beverly Hills: Rosewood bronzer, (lips):Rouge,Peachy, Bordeaux, Toffee gloss (eyes):Soft Glam palette, Subculture palette, Luminous Foundation in 330W
 
Belif: Moisturizing Eye Bomb, Aqua Bomb Jelly Cleanser
 
Chanel: mascaras
 
Charlotte Tilbury: Light Wonder 6
 
Colourpop:Stranger Than Diction kit, or anything from the kit! (lips):November,Alyssa,Lovebug (eyes)Amaze, I like You
 
Dose of Colors: Campfire lipstick or shade dupes in non-matte lipstick, Angelic lipstick, Cinnamon Swirl
 
Essie: Claim to Flaim, Soles on Fire, Get A Psy-kik Out of It
 
Etude House: Moistful Collagen Cream Moisturizer
 
Farmacy: Eye Dew Total Eye Cream with Echinacea GreenEnvy, Honey Drop Lightweight moisturizer
 
Fenty: Hydrating Foundation in 290 or 310, (Lip)Shawty,Up 2 No Good,Saw-C,Pumpkin Rose (cheek/face): Match Stix in Amber,Maple, Sun Snatched, Bronze Duo in Shadybiz & Sinamon, (eyes): Flyliner, try me on other products!
 
Giorgio Armani:** Luminous Silk shade 7.8**, maybe 6.5, Giorgio Armani Black Ecstasy Mascara
 
Glossier: Cloud Paint in Dusk, Generation G lipstick in Leo or Cake, Milky Jelly Cleanser
 
Hada Labo: Rohto Gokujun Hyaluronic Lotion Moist,sunscreen,Gokujyun Hyaluronic Cream-may consider Alpha cream
 
Hourglass:,(lips):I'll Never Stop lipstick, I've never lipstick, Girl Lip Stylos in:Futurist,Believer, Peacemaker,Influencer. Child lipgloss(eyes):Modernist Eyeshadow palette in Color Field (olive)
 
Jeffree Star: Fully Nude, Allegedly, Designer Blood, Unicorn Blood, Birthday Suit, Pumpkin Pie, Celebrity Skin, Mannequin(LL's or creams)
 
Korres: Greek Yoghurt Smoothie Priming Moisturizer
 
KVD: ELLs or creams: Hawkwind, Underage Red, Sacred Heart, Noble, Ludwig, Milagro, Ophelia, Plath
 
Laneige:balancing emulsion
 
Lime Crime: Venus 1, Plushies lipsticks, lip glosses, mermaid brushes, brow pen and brow gel in the dark brown shades
 
MAC: Paramount, Wild Extract, CB96, A Girl's Got Needs, Flamingo, Paramount, Marrakesh, Razzle Dazzler,The Right Note,Prep + Prime(radiant, preferably), NC40-42 foundations or samples
 
Makeup Forever: Forever Lustrous Palette, Ultra HD Foundation in Y373 or Y383
 
Makeup Geek: Saucy lipstick
 
Mario Badescu: Glycolic Eye Cream, neck cream (neither from Amazon,please,I've had bad luck buying MB things there)
 
Milk Makeup: Mars & other holographic sticks, Watermelon Mask, Wavy lipstick, rave eye pigment, try me on their other items!
 
NARS: Narsissist Loaded Eyeshadow Palette, Cassiopeia eyeshadow,Phoebe eyeshadow, Elsa eyeshadow duo, Natural Radiant Longwear Foundation or Sheer Glow in Stromboli or Messine, Paris Follies lipstick, Jeanne lipstick, Slow Ride lipstick Afterglow Lip balm in Laguna (Highlight): Forte De France
 
NYX: Daydream Reverie, Buenos Aires, Kim, (eyes):Iced Mocha, Black Bean
 
Origins: Eye cream
 
Pur: Mystic lipstick
 
Shiseido: Ultimate Sun Protection Lotion Broad Spectrum SPF 50+ WetForce for Sensitive Skin and Children
 
Smashbox: Photofinish Primer Oil (lips): Out Loud, also looking for Studio Skin hydrating foundation in a close color value to 3.20, but less warm, maybe yellow? I find 3.20 too orangey.
 
Sol de Janeiro:Panama Sunset Glow Oil-prefer translucent, but either one, Coco Cabana Cream
 
Stila: Sogno, Bellissima, Rubino, Angelo lipsticks, mini liquid liner in black
 
Tarte: Manbun lipstick, Brazilliance, BB Cream(not the matte one) in light,Rainforest After Dark palette, Amazonian Clay Foundation in Medium Tan Sand or Tan Golden
 
Tatcha: Silk Canvas
 
Tonymoly: Panda's Dream Rose Hyaluronic Face Cream, face masks
 
Too Faced: Clover palette, Clover makeup bag, Papa Don't Peach blush, Peach palette,Gold Soliel Bronzer, Pretty Puppy palette
 
Urban Decay: Black coal eyeliner, Naked Palettes(any except Basics 1), Conspiracy lipstick, Heat lipstick, Sin Highlighter, FS or DS
 
Viseart: Petit Pro 1
 
Wella: Brilliance Leave In Balm
 
YSL: ,lipsticks, Touche Éclat Lumiere Divine Highlighting Finishing Powder Palette
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2020.08.20 17:47 LearningIsListening A not-so-brief rundown of letters ‘W-Z’ in Jeffrey Epstein's 'Little Black Book'

Below is a rundown of letters ‘W-Z’ under Epstein's contacts. Last year, I wrote about letters A-C. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/cpis3n/a_brief_rundown_of_the_first_ten_pages_of_jeffrey/).
I also wrote about letters D-F on July 5, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hlrba8/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_df_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters G-I on July 13, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hqko0y/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_gi_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters J-L on July 15, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hrq9bg/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_jl_of_jeffrey/).
I posted letter M on July 20, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/huw0yt/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letter_m_in_jeffrey/).
I posted letters N-Q on July 27, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/hyudbz/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letters_nq_in_jeffrey/). There are some misspelled names. Epstein entered their names like this.
I posted letter R on July 29, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/i0aqxd/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letter_r_in_jeffrey/)
I posted letter S on August 7, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/i5orop/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_the_letter_s_in_jeffrey/)
I posted letters T-V on August 13, 2020. You can check that out here (https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/i9dxwk/a_notsobrief_rundown_of_letters_tv_in_jeffrey/)
I have bolded some of the more interesting connections and information, but there could be much more that I overlooked. I hope something here strikes an interest in someone and maybe we can get more investigations out of this. Please, if you know anything more about any of these people than what is presented here, post below. I am working off of the unredacted black book found here: https://www.coreysdigs.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Jeffrey-Epsteins-Little-Black-Book-unredacted.pdf
W
Wachtmeister, Eric: Swedish Internet entrepreneur. He was the founder of the now defunct social media website, A Small World. The Weinstein Company, Robert Pittman, and Alexander von Furstenberg were all heavy investors and are all listed in Epstein’s black book (check out previous threads for further information). Early in his career, Wachtmeister was an investment banker who worked for Rothschild & Co. and Lehman Brothers. His father was Count Wilhelm Wachtmeister, a Swedish diplomat, ambassador to the United States, and close friend of George H.W. Bush.
Wagner, David: Not enough info.
Wainwright, Rupert: British movie director and producer.
Waksal, Sam: Pharmaceutical entrepreneur and CEO. Despite the nerdy sounding job description, Waksal hobnobs with celebrities. He dated Martha Stewart’s daughter, is a friend of Ronald Perelman’s ex-wife, and counts Mick Jagger among his friends (https://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/24/business/for-imclone-drug-entrepreneur-a-past-of-celebrity-and-notoriety.html). In 2002 and 2003, Waksal pleaded guilty to securities fraud, bank fraud, obstruction of justice, perjury, conspiracy, and wire fraud. He was sentenced to seven years in prison in 2003. He was released in 2009.
Wallace, Mike: Television journalist best known for his role as lead correspondent on the news program 60 Minutes. Longtime 60 Minutes executive producer Jeff Fager, was forced to step down from his position after Ronan Farrow’s article in The New Yorker that mentioned Fager’s sexual misconduct (https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/as-leslie-moonves-negotiates-his-exit-from-cbs-women-raise-new-assault-and-harassment-claims) towards Sarah Johansen, an intern at the time (now a producer) who said that the atmosphere of 60 Minutes was like that of a “boy’s club.” Epstein hosted a reception for Wallace at his NYC mansion back in 1997 (https://www.thedailybeast.com/jeffrey-epstein-had-his-own-lodge-at-interlochens-prestigious-arts-camp-for-kids-in-michigan). Wallace can be seen in this photo (date uncertain, but must have been 1991 or earlier) with Robert Maxwell (Ghislaine’s father) and Donald Trump (https://twitter.com/rudyhavenstein/status/1162119147746029568).
Walters, Barbara: Famous television personality/broadcast journalist known for 20/20, The View, and berating Corey Feldman for trying to “damage an entire industry” when he came out against pedophilia in Hollywood (https://pagesix.com/2017/10/18/barbara-walters-faces-backlash-after-corey-feldman-clip-resurfaces/). Walters goes way back with Ghislaine and her family, as she swam around the same social circles as Ghislaine’s father, Robert Maxwell (https://www.newyorksocialdiary.com/this-was-then-malcolm-forbes-70th-birthday-part-i/). Here is a picture from Steve Forbes’s 70th birthday party (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/robert-maxwell-barbara-walters-and-merv-adelson-news-photo/81525793) that shows Barbara walking just behind Robert Maxwell. Barbara is pictured here (https://pagesix.com/2020/07/02/pre-arrest-ghislaine-maxwell-with-her-famous-friends/#7) with Ghislaine and some others (7th picture down). We can only wish her the most agonizing of deaths.
Ward, Kevin: A 34-year veteran of the NYPD who was eventually promoted to Borough Commander. Currently the Vice President of Security and Operations for Bryant Park Corporation. Received a Master’s Degree from Harvard, which is extremely rare for a law enforcement official. It’s odd that Epstein would have three different telephone numbers for such a decorated member of law enforcement. Interesting.
Warner, Ozzie: No info found.
Warnford-Davis, Ms Mandy: The former sister-in-law of Ghislaine’s brother, Kevin. Kevin and his wife, Pandora, divorced after more than 20 years of marriage. Mandy is Pandora’s sister. She works as a lawyer in London.
Wasserman, Casey & Laura: Casey is an entertainment and sports agent executive. Grandson of Hollywood mogul and mafia-linked Lee Wasserman. Laura Zifren is Casey’s wife. She is a movie music supervisor. Casey and Laura both appear on Epstein’s “Lolita Express” flight log (https://archive.org/stream/EpsteinFlightLogsLolitaExpress/Jeffrey-Epstein-Flight-Logs-in-PDF-format_djvu.txt) during the infamous Africa trip which featured the likes of Bill Clinton, Kevin Spacey, and Chris Tucker. Casey donates a lot of time and money to the Clinton Foundation and considers Bill Clinton to be a close friend and his philanthropic “mentor” (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/bill-clinton-casey-wasserman-reveal-590405). The Wassermans have donated between $10 and $25 million to the Clinton Foundation (https://www.clintonfoundation.org/contributors?category=%2410%2C000%2C001+to+%2425%2C000%2C000). The Wassermans have set up a charity called The Wasserman Foundation through which they donate money to a number of different causes, including several children’s groups (http://www.wassermanfoundation.org/giving/).
Wassong, David: Managing Director for Soros (yes, that Soros) Fund Management who has worked for Soros for over 20 years (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-10-01/soros-spins-out-private-equity-team-pledging-up-to-2-billion). Here’s a lovely picture (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/david-wassong-managing-director-of-soros-fund-management-news-photo/129267700?adppopup=true) of Wassong with Ghislaine Maxwell from 2011. There’s nothing weird about it except for Ghislaine’s eye-catching earrings, which bare a striking resemblance to pedophile symbolism (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3560069/The-symbols-pedophiles-use-signal-sordid-sexual-preferences-social-media.html). David’s father, Dan, was a chronic sexual harasser of his secretaries (https://www.nytimes.com/1995/08/05/nyregion/a-sexual-harasser-his-friends-don-t-recognize-the-description.html). Perhaps sexual deviancy runs in the family.
Wastnage, Lucy: Wife of David Tang. Already listed earlier under ‘Tang, Mr David and Lucy Wastnag.’ Copy and pasted from my ‘T-V’ thread… David was a Hong Kong businessman who founded the Shanghai Tang fashion chain and several restaurants that attract the elite. Tang was a philanthropist who was involved in several charities, including Youth Outreach (YO), a charitable organization started in Hong Kong by Reverend Peter Newberry. This charity’s goal was to help at-risk youths (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/hkedition/2017-09/15/content_32018378.htm). Tang was considered one of the most well-connected people in London. He and his wife, Lucy, counted Prince Andrew, Naomi Campbell, Sarah Ferguson, the Duchess of York (Prince Andrew’s ex-wife), Kevin Spacey, the Duke of Marlborough, and Mick Jagger among their friends (https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/lucy-tang-on-top-the-highs-and-lows-of-a-party-girl-6540808.html). Tang vehemently defended Prince Andrew in 2011 when his relationship with Epstein was made public (https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/theyve-been-tang-oed-sir-david-tang-sets-the-record-straight-6383974.html). Two years later, Ghislaine celebrated her 51st birthday at China Tang, David’s restaurant at the Dorchester Hotel. Despite the backlash Prince Andrew received for counting Epstein among his friends, he attended Ghislaine’s birthday, along with former Labour minister Shaun Woodward and wife Camilla, the Earl and Countess of Derby, Dorrit Moussaieff, the diamond heiress/wife of the president of Iceland, Tamara Beckwith, and John Eliasch, multi-millionaire boss of sports firm Head. Every single one of those people appear in Epstein’s contacts. Epstein had 16 phone numbers, two email addresses, and three street addresses listed under David and Lucy’s names. David Tang died in 2017.
Waterman, Felicity: Model and actress who was a client of Elite Modeling Agency, along with Epstein/Maxwell pals Naomi Campbell and Heidi Klum and many other famous models.
Watson, Victoria: Secretary at De Cadenet Motor Racing Limited (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/officers/9iGn2N_d0fDUZjAwXR1KFgM4qLU/appointments), a company owned by former race car driver Alain de Cadenet, who was listed earlier in Epstein’s black book.
Webb, Veronica: Supermodel. Former Victoria’s Secret (Les Wexner) model.
Weidenfeld, Lord: Founder of Weidenfeld and Nicolson publishing company. Weidenfeld (1919-2016) was a tremendous supporter of Israel and Oxford University. Weidenfeld was close friends with the Rothschilds. For more info on Weidenfeld’s deep-rooted connection with the Rothschilds and Israel, check out this wonderful Youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=368&v=N-0ZTc42PnU&feature=emb_logo). It’s very well-researched and connects all the dots. Other high-ranking friends of Weidenfeld included German Chancellor Angela Merkel and former U.S. Secretary of State (and should-be war criminal) Henry Kissinger.
Weinberg, Jason: Top Hollywood talent manager who represents some of the biggest names in movies and television. Weinberg held his 50th birthday at a restaurant in Easthampton, NY (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/rambling-reporteharvey-weinstein-katie-holmes-more-flock-east-hamptons-palm-restaurant-jason-weinb). Attendees included Harvey Weinstein and actress Uma Thurman, the ex-fiance of ARK Academy founder and possible pedophile and child trafficker, Arpad Busson. Weinberg has been pictured with Peggy Siegal, the publicist who helped Epstein get into elite parties after he was convicted of procuring an underage girl for prostitution. They likely know each other because they were both trained by legendary Hollywood publicist Bobby Zarem.
Weinstein, Bob: Bob is Harvey Weinstein’s brother and a top movie producer and Hollywood executive. Bob has denied any knowledge of his brother’s seemingly endless sexual harassment charges and has publicly rebuked Harvey. Bob has been accused of harassment by Amanda Segel, a female showrunner (https://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bob-weinstein-sexual-harassment-1202592165/).
Weintraub, Harriet: Founder of public relations firm HWPR (http://hwpr.com/about-us/). Was once in business with Epstein enabler Peggy Siegal (http://orbmagazine.com/the-orbitepeggy-siegal-is-no-longer-the-owner-of-the-peggy-siegal-company/).
Westheimer, Ruth Dr: Better known as Dr. Ruth, the popular sex therapist and TV personality.
Weymouth, Mrs Lally: Senior associate editor of The Washington Post. Eldest child of Katherine Graham, the publisher who ran her family’s newspaper, The Washington Post, from 1963-1991. Lally is best known for throwing huge bipartisan parties at her house in the Hamptons. This article (https://nypost.com/2017/07/10/why-ordinary-americans-hold-politicians-and-media-in-contempt-all-in-one-hamptons-party/) does a great job of detailing who goes to these parties (ex: Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner partying with George Soros, Soros partying with David Koch, etc) and the fact that behind closed doors, the same people who publicly insult each other from both sides of the aisle, are actually friends and just laughing at us for believing their theatrics. AGAIN, THE WHOLE IDEA OF PARTISANSHIP IS COMPLETE BULLSHIT. STOP ALIGNING WITH ONE SIDE. IT’S US VS. THEM. THAT’S IT.
White, Somers: Former model and advertising executive. Married to Jonathan Farkas, heir to the Alexander’s department stores fortune. Named to the Commission on Presidential Scholars by Donald Trump in 2019. Pictured here (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/amy-fine-collins-suzanne-johnson-ghislaine-maxwell-somers-news-photo/1169681593?adppopup=true) with Ghislaine Maxwell.
White, Victoria: Former wife of Lord Gordon White, Texas businessman Tom O’Gara, and famed Hollywood producer Robert Evans.
White, Michael: Likely the theatemovie producer or the British journalist who was the associate editor of The Guardian until 2016 and a regular commentator on BBC. Could be either one.
White O’Gara, Victoria: See Victoria White above.
Whitworth, Alan & Wendy: Wendy Whitworth is a managing editor with ties to Ghislaine and her family. She was managing editor of Remembering for the Future: The Holocaust in An Age of Genocide, an assortment of Holocaust-centered articles, which was released in 2001. Ghislaine Maxwell’s mother, Elisabeth, was the editor-in-chief of the publication. Ghislaine and her sisters, Isabel and Christine, are listed as financial sponsors and committee coordinator (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm%3A978-1-349-66019-3%2F1.pdf). The honorary president of the publication is Elie Wiesel, the famous authoHolocaust survivor who also appears in Epstein’s book and was also accused of sexual harassment. I believe her husband Alan is an economic adviser, but I’m not entirely sure.
Wiatt, Jim: Former CEO at William Morris, a major talent agency.
Wienberg, Anouska & Mark: Anouska is a hotelier and interior designer. Her husband, Mark, is a financier who co-founded J. Rothschild Assurance, which later became St. James’s Place Wealth Management, along with Jacob Rothschild (https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/lord-weinberg?mediatype=photography&phrase=lord%20weinberg&sort=best). Mark was the honorary treasurer of the National Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children (NSPCC) and still had a role as one of the Vice Presidents as of 2012 (https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalassets/documents/annual-reports/nspcc-annual-report-2012.pdf), making this the 12 billionth connection between known pedophile and child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein and the NSPCC.
Wiesel Dr Eli and Marion: Wiesel was a famous author, Holocaust survivor, and Nobel Peace Prize winner, but he also supposedly sexually harassed a teenager at a charity event (https://www.newsweek.com/elie-wiesel-me-too-account-690891). Wiesel had longstanding ties to the Maxwell family due to their mutual interest in writing about the Holocaust (https://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/09/business/media/elisabeth-maxwell-widow-who-reinvented-herself-as-holocaust-expert-dies-at-92.html), (https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/bfm%3A978-1-349-66019-3%2F1.pdf). Marion is also a Holocaust survivor and was Elie’s wife.
Wigram Lionel and Lydia: Lionel is a producer who has worked on the Harry Potter films and several Guy Ritchie movies. Lydie is his wife.
Wigram, Lionel: See above.
Williams Alexandra & Nick: Alexandra is the daughter of Michael Heseltine, who was previously listed in Epstein’s ‘black book.’ Michael Heseltine is a British businessman and politician who served in various roles in government for British PMs Margaret Thatcher and John Major. Heseltine was a friend of Robert Maxwell, Ghislaine’s father. Heseltine invested in Conservative Parliament member Harvey Proctor’s business after Proctor was forced to resign after it was revealed he had sexual relationships with and took nude pictures of male prostitutes aged 17-21 at his home (source: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/members-interests-top-tories-lose-on-proctors-shop-the-retailer-1445666.html). At the time, it was illegal to have same-sex relations with prostiutes under the age of 21. Her siblings, Annabel and Rupert, were listed in Epstein’s book as well. Check out the G-I thread for more info on them. Nick is her husband and the owner of Holloway’s auctioneers.
Williams-Ellis, David & Serena: David is a world-renowned British sculptor. His ex-wife, Serena, is an interior designer.
Willis, Rebecca: Not sure. Could be a climate change/environmental researcher in the UK.
Wilmot-Sitwell, Alex & Fi: Alex is a banker who was CEO of UBS Investment Bank and headed Bank of America Merrill Lynch’s businesses across Europe until 2018. Bank of America Merrill Lynch, incidentally, was the “largest corporate sponsor” for the super shady ARK Academy (https://arkacademy.org/node/51721) under Wilmot-Sitwell. ARK Academy, founded by Arpad Busson (listed in Epstein’s book - read more on him here: https://www.reddit.com/conspiracy/comments/cl34ju/arpad_busson_billionaire_businessman_or_possible/), could very well be a system of schools used for child abuse and child trafficking. Caroline Fiona Marr is Alex’s ex-wife.
Wilson, Carter: Barely any info found. Her name is Carter Wilson Hailey. This was her mother (https://www.dignitymemorial.com/obituaries/harrisonburg-va/margaret-wilson-6505891). Despite the family names/history, I couldn’t find anything on who Carter Wilson actually is.
Windisch Grazot, Manfred: The Windisch-Graetz family comes from a high nobility bloodline. Manfred, considered a prince, takes care of the management and finances of Elitaliana, the oldest Italian helicopter company (https://www.arbiter.it/articolo/il-guardaroba-di-manfred-windisch-graetz/). Member of the Order of Malta (https://www.smomembassytoslovenia.org/heliambulance-blessed-by-the-holy-fathe).
Windsor-Taylor, Tim & Helen: Helen is a member of the Royal Family. Her father is Prince Edward, Duke of Kent, who is the first cousin of Queen Elizabeth II. Helen is a patron of CLIC Sargent, a children’s cancer charity (https://web.archive.org/web/20110723085754/http://www.clicsargent.org.uk/Aboutus/Mediacentre/Latestnews/Midsummerpartyraises400000). Her husband, Tim, is an art dealer.
Winn, Steve: Wynn is a billionaire Las Vegas hotel tycoon. Prince Harry was a guest of Wynn’s at his Encore resort. Served as the finance chair of the Republican National Committee from 2017-2018, but had to resign from that post and his position as CEO of Wynn Resorts due to dozens of allegations of sexual misconduct (https://www.newsweek.com/steve-wynn-claims-he-cant-punished-sexual-harassment-claims-because-he-no-longer-company-1472164) by his employees. Wynn and his wife (listed earlier in Epstein’s black book under ‘Hissom, Andrea’) are close friends of Donald and Melania Trump (source: https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20120901/281904475353844).
Winston, Elizabeth: Not sure. Best guess is a Texas-based conservationist.
Wipple, George: Entertainment and society television journalist.
Wolper, Carol: Author and screenwriter who has also written for Vogue magazine, where Epstein has countless connections.
Wong, Andy: Hong Kong financier and socialite. Hosted a Chinese New Year party in 2002 attended by Prince Andrew (https://www.tatler.com/article/lady-victoria-hervey-defends-duke-of-york-and-fled-epstein-apartment) where the theme was ‘Eyes Wide Shut’ (https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/meet-the-wongs-1529160.html). Here’s are some pictures from that party (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/prince-andrew-hong-kong-fanancier-andy-wong-and-his-wife-news-photo/104171074 ; https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/sir-dai-llewelyn-amd-masked-girl-hong-kong-fanancier-andy-news-photo/104170961 ; https://www.shutterstock.com/editorial/image-editorial/chinese-new-year-party-hosted-by-andy-wong-and-wife-patti-at-the-reform-club-london-britain-26-jan-2002-375881ah). Here is a link with more pictures (https://www.rexfeatures.com/set/375881) from the party. Many Epstein contacts appear in these photos and also regularly attend the Wongs’ annual Chinese New Year parties. Buzz Aldrin (suspected upper echelon freemason) attended the party as well.
Wong, Theodore: Hedge fund manager. Founder of Constellar Capital LLC. Former managing director at Credit Suisse, a Swedish-based investment bank where Epstein had several contacts. Member of the Sunflower Children's Foundation and St. Jude’s Hospital (https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/person/7519446), two charities dedicated to sickly children.
Woodall, Trinny: Former drug addict socialite and friend of the wealthy and elite (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1216159/The-drug-addict-friends-haunt-Trinny-Woodall.html) who is now a British TV presenter and owner of makeup brand TRINNY LONDON.
Woods Emily & Carrie: Cary Woods is a movie producer. His ex-wife, Emily, is the chairman of J. Crew.
Woodward, Alexa: California-based attorney.
Woodward, Shaun & Camilla: Former British Member of Parliament (MP) and Secretary of State for Northern Ireland. Shaun is a good friend of Esther Rantzen, an English journalist and television presenter who founded ChildLine, a charity promoting child protection. Incidentally, Rantzen ignored allegations against Jimmy Savile, the notorious pedophile, celebrity, and Royal Family confidant. Rantzen also had an affair with Nicolas Fairbairn, the Scottish politician who was posthumously accused of chronic child abuse and has been linked to Elm Guest House, where politicans (allegedly) had sex with drugged up children (https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/13174992.former-judges-shock-over-qc-paedophile-ring-allegations/). Camilla is Woodward’s ex-wife of 28 years and daughter of former Conservative MP and supermarket heir Tim Sainsbury. Since their divorce, Shaun has entered a relationship with Luke Redgrave, a Hollywood camera operator.
Worcester, Marq & Marc of: Henry Somerset, 12th Duke of Beaufort and his ex-wife, Tracy. Henry is an English peer and landowner. Tracy is a former actress.
Wyatt, Jim: See Jim Wiatt (above).
Wyatt, Steve & Cate: Steve is an oil heir and the former lover of Sarah Ferguson, Duchess of York (Prince Andrew’s ex-wife). Ferguson has always seen Steve as her true love and even went away on vacation with him while she was still with Prince Andrew (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-4512442/Fergie-reunited-former-lover-broke-heart.html). Cate is Steve’s ex-wife.
(No ‘X’ last names)
Y
Yamani, Mai: Anthropologist, scholar, and author who has been a consultant of international banks such as Goldman Sachs, oil companies like Shell and BP, and foreign governments.
Yariv, Zghoul: Israeli venture capitalist.
Yates, Andrew (piggy): Features editor at the Daily Mail. Went to school with Ghislaine Maxwell, but said that he hadn’t seen her in over a decade when he found out his name was in Epstein’s contacts.
Young Toby: A British social commentator and former director of the New Schools Network, a charity which helps set up free schools in England. He is also an associate editor at Quillette, an online science magazine. In 2011, Young wrote an article defending Prince Andrew and others who are friends with the likes of Epstein, saying that they are not responsible for their friends actions (https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/status-anxiety-like-prince-andrew-i-stand-by-my-dodgy-mates-). He was suspended from Groucho, a private members club in London, when he admitted to selling and using cocaine there (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1361435/White-powder-scare-at-the-Groucho.html). This flickr page reveals the connection between Toby Young’s New Schools Network and possible pedophile/child trafficker Arpad Busson’s ARK Academy schools (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/49407330397).
Younger, Tracy & Lee, Greg: No info found.
Yugoslavia Dimitri: Prince Dimitri is a gemologist and member of the Royal House of Yugoslavia. Pictured here (https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/tradition/a30222833/christina-oxenberg-instagram-patreon-memoi) with Ghislaine Maxwell and Prince Andrew’s cousin, Christina Oxenberg. Brother of Michael and Serge (below).
Yugoslavia, Prince Michel of: An investment executive and former real estate broker. He is also a member of the Knights of Malta. Brother of Dimitri (above) and Serge (below)
Yugoslavia, Serge de: Prince Serge of Yugoslavia. Recently became a father at the age of 54 (http://royalmusingsblogspotcom.blogspot.com/2018/03/a-son-for-prince-serge-of-yugoslavia.html). Brother of Dimitri and Michael (above).
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Zacks Gordon: American businessman who was a financial and Middle Eastern policy adviser to George H.W. Bush during his presidency.
Zales, Alexi: No info found.
Zangrillo Paige & Bob: Robert Zangrillo is a venture capitalist and real estate developer. He has come under fire for a college admissions scandal in which he paid $250,000 so that his daughter could get into USC. Routinely throws parties that attract the likes of the Kardashians, Snoop Dogg, the Hadid family, and other celebrities/wealthy people (https://www.dirt.com/moguls/real-estate/bob-zangrillo-house-los-angeles-1203330956/).
Zawauri, Waleed: Zawawi is on the board of HSBC Bank of Oman. Listed in the Paradise Papers (https://offshoreleaks.icij.org/nodes/80029327) - not to be confused with the Panama Papers - as someone with offshore accounts.
Zecher Bibi and Adrian: Adrian is a hotelier who founded Aman Resorts. Bebe is his wife.
Zeff Mark: Interior designer who helped renovate Epstein’s New York mansion.
Zelier, John: Founding and Managing Member of Hudson Housing Capital, a housing tax credit syndicator. Former Managing Director of Lehman Brothers.
Zevi, Dino & Rosi: Dino is an art dealer.
Zilkha, Bettina: Arts, entertainment, and fashion journalist for Forbes magazine. Photographed with Ghislaine Maxwell here (https://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/ghislaine-maxwell-and-bettina-zilkha-attend-holly-petersons-news-photo/1169681633) and here (https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/news-photo/bettina-zilkha-suzanne-ircha-and-ghislaine-maxwell-attend-news-photo/660049824) and here (https://www.gettyimages.ie/detail/news-photo/bettina-zilkha-and-ghislaine-maxwell-attend-private-news-photo/590659890)... well, you get the point. She is a fixture in New York’s high society social scene as she is also an heiress to her father’s financing fortune.
Zipp, Brian: Investment banker. Zipp is a former Senior Economist with the U.S. Treasury Department. Later became a Managing Director at Lehman Brothers.
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2020.08.18 18:53 MrPatrick1207 [WTS] Junk Barbers, World/Medieval Silver, 5g Bars and Maples, Foreign Dansco/Whitman Albums

This is the buy a new mattress and AC unit sale! Really trying to move these items, consider all prices to be OBO.
If you think the price is high, make an offer! I'd rather lose a dollar than a sale. The larger the sale the more flex I can have on price.
Shipping is whatever it works out to be, larger orders need more postage than a single coin.
I accept Venmo (keep the comment simple, like a single emoji), PayPal G&S (add 3% to the price) and F&F (NO COMMENTS!!!), and Google Wallet.
Due to COVID I will only drop off once a week, usually the end of the week. If there are delays, I will communicate it.
PROOF: https://imgur.com/DVO9SAp
Medieval: https://imgur.com/a/s5WZu06
World Silve Bullion: https://imgur.com/a/oum4pjg
MEDIEVAL SILVER
Item Price
1577 Riga 1 Shilling. Slight env. damage, clipped SOLD $5
1554 KB Hungary 1 Denar. Slight clip, madonna w/ baby still has good detail $20
1562 KB Hungary 1 Denar. More worn than the other, but has lovely red toning on both sides $25
1580 KB Hungary 1 Denar. Face of portrait is worn sadly, otherwise has mint lustre, high AU other than portrait $25
ND (1250-1348) City of Ancona 1 Denaro $30
ND (1660-1665) Riga 1 Solidus Carl XI. Beat to hell, barely identifiable SOLD $2
1662 Riga 1 Solidus Carl XI. Also beat to hell, but you can see the date SOLD $3
WORLD SILVER
Item Price
Small World Silver lot (coins on paper towel), not sure on ASW, if price is way off make an offer SOLD $50
1958 Belgium 50 Francs $15
2x 1963 Greece 30 Drachmai $20 ea
1944 Netherlands 1 Gulden $25
1951 Germany 5 Mark $8
1929 Luxemburg 5 Francs PENDING $10
1945 Malay 5 Cents $15
1924A Germany 1 Reichmark $8
1925A Germany 1 Reichmark $10
1967 Switzerland 5 Francs $15
1909 Germany 1/2 Mark $8
Island of Sark 12 Grams coin, mintage of 1000 $45
1923 "Der überfall im Wildbald" Porcelain Medals, White and Black. Slight wear on highpoint $35, only selling both together
1899 Canada 5 Cents $20
Newfoundland Victoria 20 cents $12 ea
Newfoundland Victoria 50 Cents 1899 $30
Newfoundland Victoria 50 Cents 1881 $20
Newfoundland George V 20 Cents $8 ea
Newfoundland Edward VII 50 Cents 1908 $25
Newfoundland George VI 5 Cents 1941 $4
Newfoundland George VI 10 Cents 1940 $4
Magyar (Hungary) 8 Coin Silver Proof Set $50
BULLION/JUNK
Item Price
$7.25 FV Barber Quarters. Slick/cleaned/nasty, no holes. Most still have visible dates 21x face (rounding down, $150)
$1 FV Barber Dime. Same as above, pretty slick and damaged. All have visible dates. 21x face, $21
10 1oz Canada Silver Maples (1988, 1989, 1990, 1993, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 1988 has a lil bit of milk on the reverse, most have bluish toning but no milk that I can see $32ea ($2 below apmex/provident), take all for $310
3 5g Silver Scottsdale Bars. All 3 in same plastic. PENDING $15ea, all for $40
4 5g Silver Geiger Bars, individual SOLD $12 ea, all for $40
ALBUMS
Item Price
Whitman Canada Type (missing 1 plastic insert on last page) $50
Dansco Canada Type $150
Whitman Mexico Type $50
Dansco Mexico Type $150
Whitman Panama Type (missing 1 plastic insert on last page) $60
Dansco Fiji Type $150
The Aus/NZ ones are crispy, taped together, or otherwise damaged
Item Price
Australia Type 1 (has a hole punched through the Edward VII 3p slot) Includes some coins as pictured $30
2x Australia Type 2 $20 ea
4x Australia Florin $20 ea
2x New Zealand Half Crown-Crowns $20 ea
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2020.08.15 20:46 ConorCulture How I Would Book #4: NXT TakeOver XXX

How I Would Book #1: Fyter Fest 2020
How I Would Book #2: All Out 2020
How I Would Book #3: Wrestle Kingdom 15
Keith Lee (c) defeats Kushida to retain the NXT North American Championship
The opening of our show is a hot one as you can tell. First, how we got here. Keith defeats Adam Cole at The Great American Bash like he did, but instead he holds both belts, because he absolutely should. Him vacating the North American Championship is just dumb, why’d they have him win both if he just would throw it away since he had a better title now, and why are Finn Bálor and Johnny Gargano, people who have held the world title, trying to compete for the NA Title when Keith made it very clear which title is more important, the whole thing I just find dumb. So Keith holds onto both bets for a while, and he must defend them both, however they’ll be defended in separate matches rather than how NJPW had Tetsuya Naito do it: defending both titles in the same match.
Kushida wins a 4-man tournament for the North American Championship match at NXT TakeOver: XXX, defeating Oney Lorcan in the first round after a very hard hitting and technical match. He wins with the Buzzsaw Kick. Other first round match sees Damian Priest win a match with Cameron Grimes, using a Big Boot and Sitout Chokeslam combo to get the 3 count. Kushida and Damian Priest then have a 15-minute bout the following week in the mini-tournament finals, where Kushida wins after a Midnight Express. Keith Lee then comes out afterwards with both belts, and shakes Kushida’s hand to declare the match. I think Kushida’s time has come in NXT for a push, he’s 37 now, he isn’t getting younger and he’s wasted enough time over the past year.
The pair open the show hot with a fast 10 minute match. Kushida is without hesitation, as he goes balls to wall immediately. Keith Lee is reversed in the first 3 minutes or so, powering out of Kushida’s offence most of the time. This is to conserve energy for later on. Kushida has no so much match to worry about, so he gives it his all. Keith Lee then breaks the trance after escaping a hold and hitting a Springboard Corkscrew Crossbody! This is when the action breaks down into a frantic blast of offence. Lee has gone from reserving his energy to trying a finish this as soon as possible, which he does so by doing some crazy moves. Kushida hits a Rolling Elbow and a Wind-up punch, and then goes for Handspring Back Elbow, but Keith Lee catches Kushida and lifts him into a Spirit Bomb, but Kushida gets out with a Facebuster and locks in the Hoverboard Lock. Keith Lee lifts himself out, and places Kushida on the top rope. He goes for a Supernova Rana from there, but Lee catches and finally hits the Spirit Bomb! 1.........2........3!!!
Santos Escobar (c) defeats Finn Bálor to retain the NXT Cruiserweight Championship
Now, I would be lying if I said I didn’t book this because it made my mouth water writing it down. But like all these matches, we’ve got a story. See Santos Escobar is the interim Cruiserweight Champion, and while this is fine, he wants to be the real champion, not this interim crap. He cuts a promo on NXT voicing his frustrations, saying that he is a thousand times better than Jordan Devlin, who is just sitting at home right now and that makes him the real champ, meanwhile he busts his ass over here. He keeps ranting about Devlin, when Bálor comes out, Devlin’s mentor. Escobar looks him up and down and says “I didn’t want the old, out of date version of Jordan Devlin, but it’ll do.” Finn then tells him an old dog can learn new tricks, and smacks him. This is a simple set up, because the match is mainly going to be about the action, which is what it’ll be remembered for.
Bálor starts off hot with a Shotgun Dropkick into the corner. He follows this with a Hanging Soccer Kick and a chop. Seems he took Escobar calling him old as a challenge. He tries the 1916 immediately, but Escobar lifts himself out into a DDT. He then applies a headlock and works down on Finn. Finn escapes a pressure hold with an Arm Drag and this is where we get into the fast paced stuff. Some spots include a Springboard Dropkick countered by a Dropkick, the Cruiserweight Champion countering Bálor’s high risk moves into submission holds several times, Bálor doing a Suicide Dive and then Escobar showing him what a REAL Suicide dive looks like, amongst other cool flippy shit. Escobar’s gang get involved near the end, which allows Escobar to hit his WWE version of the Thrill of the Kill (the old version was the same as Adam Page’s Rite of Passage, which won’t fly in WWE.), I’d make it a Emerald Flowsion, as it looks like it’ll damage the head but it doesn’t. Escobar wins with that.
Karrion Kross defeats Johnny Gargano
Our one and only non-title singles match of the night sees two of my favourite people in NXT go at it. This is probably the match I want to see most in NXT that hasn’t happened. And even though it’s heel vs. heel, I think Kross has to face both faces and heels. Since he is the Harbinger of the End, and the end comes for us all; the honourable and the wicked. Gargano thinks that what Kross is talking about, is bullshit, it ain’t on this Papa Shango nonsense. He tells Kross they’ll have a match, but he doesn’t give a fuck about “the end” or whatever he’s talking about. Scarlett then tells Gargano that he’s foolish, and this trait will bring him closer to his doom. Candice LeRae is also pretty salty with Johnny the whole time, which I will tell you why when we get to the women’s match.
We’re sticking with the 10-minute match, as I don’t want this to be a quick squash since I want it to be actually good, but it’s function is for Kross to look strong by munching on a large star. Kross is vastly superior in the opening bit due to his strength, meaning he dominates Johnny with holds. Johnny breaks free of a headlock with a Enziguri and like the first match, it turns into a mad dash for the finish line between a smaller technical wizard and a larger agile big man. It remains different though by both men using different moves and different spots, including at one point Gargano hitting a Dropkick to Kross and he falls onto the steel steps. Gargano then turns into a braggadocio cocky asshole. We get a final sequence of the Kross Jacket and Gargano Escape being traded, until Kross lifts him into a Doomsday Saito. He then hits one on the outside into the guardrail, and that ends the match.
The Undisputed Era defeats Timothy Thatcher, Cameron Grimes and Fabian Aichner in a No Disqualification Six-man Tag Team Match
This is going to be UE’s send off match in NXT, because to be honest I think it’s time they head to the main roster. So I want to send them off in a match to remember, but first how we got here. Ok so Pat McAfee doesn’t show up on NXT because a celebrity wrestling on a takeover is dumb, just to get that out of the way. Now, this starts when Timothy Thatcher in Walter’s absence, joins Imperium and takes over as leader. Undisputed Era then try and reclaim their tag titles they lost earlier in the year in a title match, which they lose. This makes them very mad. Adam Cole goes on Pat McAfee’s talk show (this is his only appearance) and when McAfee tells him he doesn’t think UE are that good anymore and Imperium have taken over as the superior faction. Cole curses him out and walks off. Thatcher and Cole then start to feud, and it’s settled this will be resolved in a No DQ Match at Takeover between the two factions, in a rematch from Worlds Collide. However, Bobby Fish injures Marcel Barthel backstage after a chain attack. William Regal then punishes Bobby, saying he cannot compete in the match due to his actions, as well saying Imperium will need to find a third man. This third man is Cameron Grimes.
Aichner doesn’t even make an entrance, he just runs out and demands UE to come down and fight him now, as revenge for them injuring his partner. Cole then sprints out and they start to brawl, but because they’re the only ones the match doesn’t officially start. Cole buries Aicher’s forehead into his skull with elbows, and then throws him into the guardrails. Aichner and Cole then trade elbows and fight over the guardrails. Aichner grabs one of the chairs and goes to hit Cole with it, which he does, but then Cole throws him into the plexiglass. Cole then beats him down with the chair and they go back to the ring, where the others come out. Undisputed Era come in first and successfully do a triple Suicide Dive onto all of the opposing team. Roderick Strong and Kyle O’Reilly then double team Grimes. They hit the Ax and Smash and O’Reilly does the air guitar with Aichner’s title belt.
Aichner hops onto the apron but Strong throws the title at him and it falls to the floor. He then hits a Springboard Dropkick into the ring, and throws Strong outside. He then throws KOR over the ropes but he lands on the apron. He goes for a Lariat but Aichner ducks and Superkicks him to the outside where he falls into Strong’s arms. Aichner then hits a Suicide Elbow Drop through the middle rope, with his elbow colliding with Strong’s chest knocking everyone down. Cole hits Grimes with a Running Death Valley Driver onto a chair over where the crowd usually sits, then jumps over the guardrail with a Crossbody pounce on Aichner. He has Strong hold him in place so he can hit a Corona Kick, but he hits Strong instead accidentally. Aichner then hits a Sitout Powerbomb on the outside to Cole! O’Reilly and Thatcher then fight in the ring, both swinging chairs at each other until O’Reilly goes for a Regalplex, but Thatcher gets out into a European Uppercut! He hits a Belly to Belly Suplex, and KOR rolls outside after. He is then hit with a Cave-in from Grimes, flying off the guardrail! Strong then rolls into the ring, and hits Thatcher with a Sick Kick from behind! He then hits him with a Superplex!
Grimes and Aichner then roll in to save him, but Cole and Strong attack both from behind. Grimes counters a Crossbody from Cole into a Collision Course, but he’s then hit with two Superkicks. Aichner throws Strong out, and then throws him over the guardrail. He then hits a Double Springboard Moonsault over the guardrail to Strong!!!! Meanwhile in the ring, KOR and Thatcher are back at it. KOR hits him with a Rolling Butterfly Suplex and locks in the Ankle Lock. Grimes breaks it up with a Orange Crush attempt, but KOR counters into a Facebuster and he’s then double teamed by a Ax and Smash from KOR and Cole, as well as Cole hitting a Last Shot. Strong comes back in and they beat up the ref, for the extra heat. That ref though is Drake Younger, who fights back! He hits a Superkick to every one of them, and a Double DDT to KOR and Strong, but Cole absolutely obliterates him with a Corona Kick and a Last Shot into a chair. Younger is then taken away and a new ref is brought out.
They look to cause more havoc, and they head up to the commentary desk. Strong grabs Mauro and threatens to throw him off the stage into KOR and Cole. Grimes however is behind him, who pushes Strong away and dives over Mauro, off the stage, into Cole and KOR!!! Thatcher then drags Strong down and it breaks down. He hits him with a German Suplex onto the unfolded chair, and locks in a Fujiwara Armbar! Aichner is back up and he joins the party with Cole, O’Reilly and Grimes. Grimes and Aichner both take the pair down to ringside, and throw a table at them. It doesn’t break through, so they’re throwing wood at two men. Cole rolls back into the ring while KOR stays on the outside. Aichner and Grimes set up something where Grimes Irish whips them and Aichner catches and plants them in the table. Grimes does his move, but KOR jumps into Aichner and they both go through the table with a Tornado DDT! Grimes in then hit with a Suicide Dive from Cole! Cole hits a Kneecap Brainbuster on the outside, Grimes lands in a kneeling position, Cole hits him with a Superkick. It’s then a Superkick Party as he superkicks everyone on the opposing team. He finishes off with a Corona Crash from the second rope to Thatcher! 1........2......KICK OUT!!!
Cole beats down on Thatcher, but then he’s caught with a Backdrop Driver into the corner and a Butterfly Suplex from Thatcher! He then goes on the Uppercut train with Strong in one corner and Cole in the other. Ends when Strong catches him with the End of Heartache! 1......2.....CAMERON GRIMES BREAKS IT UP WITH A CAVE-IN! He hits Strong with a German Suplex, and then the Orange Crush! KOR and Cole then double Clothesline him, but they’re hit with double Big Boots from Aichner! Aichner and Thatcher go for double Michinoku Drivers, but Cole and KOR get out and hit double Cutters! Cole locks in the Figure Four on Thatcher while KOR hits a Diving Legdrop! Cole then hits the Panama Sunrise! Aichner comes in with a Clothesline to KOR, but he’s with the Florida Keys! Strong then reenters, this time with thumbtacks. He pours them over the ring, and then hits a Backbody Drop to Thatcher onto the tacks! Adam Cole, Kyle O’Reilly and Roderick Strong then all cover, 1.........2........3. The Undisputed Era win, and the night after debut at SummerSlam.
Io Shirai (c) defeats Tegan Nox to retain the NXT Women’s Championship
It’s time for the women’s action now, and it was really tough picking an opponent. So I’ve made something involving two of my faves, Tegan Nox and Io Shirai. It starts with the same Rhea Ripley vs. Dakota Kai match, but it’s interference ridden as Robert Stone and Mercedes Martinez both get in Rhea’s face, Raquel Gonzales does her stuff, Tegan Nox makes her presence known, and so it ends in a DQ. Ripley then is told she’ll have to take care of Mercedes Martinez and the Robert Stone brand before she comes back for the title, which she is happy to do as she just wants Stone gone. Meanwhile Dakota Kai and Tegan Nox fight it out in a Ladder Match. Nox wins after Raquel Gonzales turns on Kai, because I think it’s confirmed she’s going to the main roster now. Nox then unhooks the contract and wins.
Nox will make for a good first opponent for Shirai to have a successful defence against, and also the build to this makes two new feuds in Ripley vs. Martinez and a possible Kai vs. Gonzales. This is a big match for Tegan as she arrived to WWE nearly exactly two years from this show, and reinjured herself, which was nearly the end. But she’s come back, she sort of was in WarGames, she took part in the Rumble, she was on a takeover and is now challenging for the women’s title. Shirai on the other hand, makes it very clear in the hype package that Nox is not on her level and is just going to be used as a ball in kickoff. She is untouchable, she is unstoppable. Nox is a bird setting sail, but the evil of the sky surrounds her and brings her to her doom.
Women’s wrestling in NXT is in my opinion one of its greatest strengths. It’s the best women’s wrestling I’ve seen in North America, with PWG and ROH never fully getting on board of the idea, TNA/Impact with their Knockouts is the only other contender and I’d put that at #2. And then AEW as we all know, have failed with the women. So Nox and Shirai go on second to last in a heavily anticipated match, hype package and probably some metal band playing Shirai to the ring. Nox and Shirai go a solid 15 minutes, story of the match being Nox trying time keep up with Shirai whilst Shirai gets in her head by mocking her injury and other mind games. The thing that injured her the first time around, a Suicide Dive, she avoids doing all match, until the end, when she has the chance to win using it - so she risks it for the biscuit. But she only gets a 2. Shirai then hits the Moonsault and wins.
Keith Lee (c) defeats Dominick Dijakovic to retain the NXT Championship
Time for the big main event match, and I know there are people who probably should get the title match more than Dijakovic, but I just want to see Keith Lee vs. Dominick Dijakovic main event a TakeOver. It always delivers as a match, and especially with the hype of a TakeOver main event it will be A+. The match spawns when the NXT after The Great American Bash, Keith Lee talks about how he got here. He says he spent 2 years in NXT, waiting for this moment to come. He had nearly lost hope, he had been here for a year, but then...he faced Dominick Dijakovic. Now, this wasn’t the first time they’d met, but it’s a special match because Dijakovic has always brought out his best. They’ve always brought out the best in each other. So now that Lee is double champ, he wants to give Dijakovic a NXT Championship match, in the main event of NXT TakeOver. One - last - match.
Next week Dominick Dijakovic cuts a video promo from his home, telling the same “how I got here story.” Talks about his youth and early wrestling career, and then about Keith Lee. He calls Lee the best frenemy you could dream of, and he’s happy for this to be the endgame, and final battle. He will take the title, hold it high, and cement himself as the superior man. Dijakovic wins a match the following week, while Lee wins one the next, and then the go home show sees a promo war between the two, where they say whatever they want about each other. Since they have free reign it’ll probably get personal, putting some extra seasoning on that beef before it goes in the oven. I’ve turned to cooking metaphors, let’s just get on with the match.
To show the sign of the respect, we start off with a handshake. Lee and Dijakovic lock up, but they’re both too powerful for each other as each lock up ends with one tossing the other across the ring. They keep trying though, and this warrants an early “this is awesome” chant from the PC recruits in the crowd. They then start to throw strikes at each other, especially Dropkicks, with Keith Lee throwing them around like leftovers at a buffet. He hits a Discus Punch and a Rolling Elbow, and then goes for a Belly to Belly, but Dijak gets out and hits a Dropsault! He then throws Lee outside and dives from the top rope with a Moonsault! They both lay out on the outside as they recover, until they’re ready to fight and start to unleash strong style. They fight as hard as they can but the strikes don’t take either down, and this really shows how tough they are considering the ferocity of the kicks and chops. Dijakovic unleashed the Violence Party on Lee in the corner, and then a Chokeslam Backbreaker to knock him down finally. 1........2.....the champ keeps fighting!
Lee gets up with a pissed off look, and hits a Mongolian Chop to Dijakovic so hard he goes inside out. He then rolls outside, but there’s no recovering as Lee flies out after him with a Corkscrew Plancha! They then trade punches on the outside, and Lee hits a Superkick which ends the brawl. He throws Dijakovic back in and heads to the top turnbuckle. He looks to dive, but Dijakovic reaches up and Chokeslams him down! He tries to cover, but Lee kicks out at 1! Dijakovic looks at him confused and bewildered, and is then slapped by Lee. Keith runs the ropes and connects a Lariat, sending Dominick inside out. He lifts him up in what seems to be a Delayed Reverse STO, but Dijakovic lifts himself up into a Double Knees to the face! He unleashes three chops and two elbows, then runs from the opposite corner, but is hit with a Big Boot followed by a Overhead Belly to Belly into the corner! Dijakovic hits off the turnbuckles and rolls back into standing. Lee is taunting behind him so he doesn’t see, and then turns around with a shocked look to see Dijakovic jumping off the top rope with a Corkscrew Moonsault! 1.......2......KICK OUT!!!!
Dijakovic is slamming the mat in rage. He pulls himself up and marches around, thinking of what to do. He runs at Lee with a Lariat, but Lee no sells and hits a Shoulder Block, which the challenger isn’t phased by and hits a double-handed chop, then a Enziguri, then a Soccer Kick, Lee catches, throws Dijakovic back who does a Cartwheel and connects a Basement Dropkick. Dijakovic does a Standing Corkscrew Senton, which Lee catches and pulls up into a Release a German Suplex. He then does a Springboard dive, but Dijakovic catches and hits Lee with his own finisher - The Big Bang Catastrophe! 1.......2......LEE KICKS OUT!!! Dijakovic then in anger hits him with several elbows. Lee then hits him with the real Big Bang Catastrophe, but Dominick kicks out and hits THE POUNCE!! Lee collides with the turnbuckles and falls down. Dijakovic then tires to lift him into a Powerbomb, but Lee gets out and tries a Spirit Bomb, but Dijakovic flips out and we get a double down when both guys Bicycle Kick each other!!! The crowd then chant fight forever as both guys lay dead.
Lee recovers inside while Dominick does outside. Lee tries to Suicide Dive, but Dijakovic hits an elbow to the head, meaning his body is now lying across the ropes. Dijakovic comes in and hits a Tiger Feint Kick! He then nails a Springboard Elbow Drop! He doesn’t cover, and instead heads to the corner to prepare for Time to Fly. Lee stumbles up and walks in, but Lee gets out and tries another Overhead Belly to Belly Suplex! The ref is grazed by Dijakovic and is then knocked down. They brawl up the ramp and arrive at the announce table. Dijakovic is hit by a Headbutt and he falls off the stage, but it isn’t a huge fall. What is huge though, is Keith Lee, who dives off the stage with a Doomsault!!!! “They are risking it all for this one objective, which I’m not even sure is the right to call yourself NXT Champion, but the desire to be better than the best!” shouts Mauro Ranallo.
The ref gets up and starts a count, and they make it back to the ring. Dijakovic and Lee then both slap each other back and forth until Lee hits a Spirit Bomb, but of course, Dijakovic no sells, and gets up. Through the agony he gets up, and demands Lee to do it again. Lee does so, but this time covers, 1.........2......DOMINCK DIJAKOVIC KICKS OUT!!!! Dijakovic rolls out and is in even more agony, but keeps going. He then hits a a Backbreaker and Swinging Side Slam combo to Lee, and goes to the corner to line up an attack. LEE THEN KIPS UP AND WHILE DIJAK IS RUNNING THROWS HIM UP INTO A SPIRIT BOMB!!! DIJAKOVIC COUNTERS INTO A FRANKENSTEINER!!! HE HITS THE FEAST YOUR EYES!!!!! 1............2........KICK OUT!!!!!!!! THE FIGHT CONTINUES, THEY’RE THROWING STRIKES, THE REF IS HIT ACCIDENTALLY!!! DIJAKOVIC HITS FEAST YOUR EYES AGAIN BUT THERES NO REF TO COUNT. HE THROWS LEE OUTSIDE AND RUNS THE ROPES, GOES FOR A CANNONBALL SENTON - LEE HITS HIM ACROSS THE SHOULDERS/NECK WITH A STEEL CHAIR!!! Lee throws him back in, HITS ANOTHER CHAIR SHOT!! Ref is back up, Lee rolls him up, 1..........2.........3!!!!!!! Keith Lee wins, after 25 minutes of chaos, and this book is closed. Once Dijakovic is up they shake hands again and hug, and the show ends with everyone’s hands raised. What a feud, what a show.
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2020.08.12 23:35 deadoralivegirl Broke up with the love of my life (warning: very long read)

My bf (m30) and I (f30), started dating 2 years ago. I knew he had issues with his drinking, and I had known him for almost 8-9 months. We didn't see each other for 3 months and when we reconnected, he was taking medication to curb and stop his drinking (naltrexone and gabapentin). He was working out, he was healthy, he looked like to be on top of his things.
We spent our first 2 weeks seeing each other after my work at the city's garden (it was complete magical). He would bring me food, fruit salad, told me I was appreciated, and we kissed and made out for hours. He needed a roommate for August 1st and so did I (was moving out of my old place), and we were initially looking for a 2 bedroom (and planning to be friends with benefits since we were attracted to each other). But ended up looking for a one bedroom since the feelings that we sparked for each other sprouted like wildfire.
We moved in together August 2018, life was good, great cook, great sex, great connection like fireworks. He started working as a dishwasher at a bistro, and I was still working for a bank. He wanted to be a chef, and I supported his dreams. Sometime in August, we went to meet one of his old friends and he drank ( on medication, which makes him sick if he abuses ), he got sick after drinking too much and started immediately throwing up so we went home. He was bedridden for a couple of days but I took care of him and he didn't go back to the liquor store or anything. Then another one of his old friends came around mid September, and he always drank to be 'tough' around this type of friend. So he drank a bit, went on a small road trip with the friend but once he came home didn't drink further. At his job as a dishwasher, he quickly got promoted to cook, and was doing well for himself, would have a drink here and there at work but the medication would make the drink taste bad so he never really abused drinking at work.
Around October 2018, his work started slowing down (because it was in a tourist area), so he was barely getting hours to make the bills, so he had a bender (his benders usually last a week) and when I came home some glasses were broken but nothing insane. He then did some shady things for money with one of the people he knew from a while back, because his mindset was somewhat evil and hurtful of others. When I got home he was passed out on the couch drunk, had lost his phone and his knuckles were bloody, he had a wad of cash (a few hundred), probably from beating someone. That was the first big red flag that I chose to ignore, since sober he was a wonderful, calm, funny person, the type that would help an elderly person cross the street and hold their hand. Would watch cartoons (movies with sex and violence he always steered from I guess because he had lived way more intensely than that during his army days).
Once he sobered up, he started doing some handiwork and being self employed so he could make his share of the rent (at least he always came up with the money one way or another). He used to work in construction in the past so he had good experience with various jobs. We would go visit his friend at the island and his friend had a huge strong beer keg. He would drink, do the work half drunk with the saw sander, dropped my phone in it by accident (was listening to music and damaged my camera, no biggie got it replaced). I would always worry he'd get really hurt, but he got away with some extra scratches. On the ferry ride back he'd be obliterated so I'd basically be alone on the way back.
Then he continue to go to his friend at the island to do work, while I held the home front. I was always supportive of his dreams. At this point he wanted to venture into a 'renovation business'. He would go and work 1- 2 days for his friend and then he would start acting weird and would disappear. I knew he was drinking. Then when it was time for him to come back he was so drunk that he wasn't allowed in the ferry to come come and would have to wait for a later one. It was so stressful, because I wouldn't know where he was, he wouldn't answer his phone for hours, so I'd have no idea that I had to pick him up or not. This one time he only got home close to midnight while I had to go work next morning at 7am. This ferry situation happened at least 2-3 times. once he called me at 4pm saying he was back in town for me to go and pick him up....the ferry would LEAVE at 4pm and not arrive...he was still on the other side of the bay.
I would threaten him to say I was going to leave but I never did... I loved him too much and the moment he was sober again I'd sweep my feelings and the shit he would do to me under the rug. End of Octobe early November, I had a trip already booked from before we started seeing each other and I didn't want to postpone it. In order to be sober and stay sober and avoid a shit show, he went to his parents for a good part of those 2 weeks I was gone. He did some handiwork for one of their properties (his parents are well off and got their shit together), and they paid him in check. He decided to come home early from that and started acting weird on text again, I knew something was up. My anxiety was so bad during the trip and my family was complaining I lost a ton of weight (at least 13-14 lbs). They were thinking I was anorexic and had no idea why I had lost so much weight. Biggest reason was because I'd come home and have to take care of him being drunk, and he would ask me to help him to the bathroom, bathe him, etc. So sometimes I wouldn't eat all day until 10-11pm.
Anyways, going back to him being off the grid again, gave me so much anxiety. I called the only friend I knew that would check up on him. His friend was a guy on recovery as well but was a few months sober already at that point. Out of nowhere, his friend decided to relapse, skipped work and went straight to my home to check up on him. For some reason my bf decided to go with him to his apartment where this guy lived and this guy started doing heroin. My bf was pissed that he had to 'babysit' this guy while he did heavy drugs but other than that didn't say much. His friend ended up messaging me later saying that my bf was sleeping and was very vague about what was going on. At one point when I was waiting for my last flight home, his friend told me that my bf decided to do heroin while drunk (my bf never did heavy drugs), and his heart had stopped. Luckily this friend was first aid certified, had a mouth to mouth mask and kept my bf alive with naloxone and CPR until the ambulance 'shocked him', and he came back. My bf was taken to the hospital, but when the friend went to the hospital to check on him my bf was gone. He had 'discharged' himself (he absolutely hates hospitals).
I came home from my trip, counting the minutes til I got home, the taxi ride home felt like forever. When I got home, I saw that the front door had been kicked in so the wood panel that holds the door closed was broken (so that way the door never stayed 'closed'. The house was trashed - clothes everywhere broken glass - I found him passed out on the couch. I took a deep breath. He broke the door because he forgot his keys he kicked the door in. I had just had a 15 -20 hour trip home and had set a counter of 30 minutes to clean up as much as I could to keep my sanity. I am OCD and I don't mind mess but I hate dirty stuff, dirty plates etc. He woke up with the cleaning and was happy to see me. I was just happy he was alive. The drinking unfortunately didn't stop even though he almost lost his life, and a few days later of drinking I put his stash in the kitchen and when he woke up and saw it wasn't there, he got up super angry, towered over me and he grabbed me by the neck and dug his nail on my throat. I punched him 3x in the face and he let me go - it was the first time he assaulted me. I called the police but ended up not pressing charges. I didn't want to ruin his life.
He ended up staying at his parents until the restraining order was lifted (it took a week or so). He made a ton of promises when that was over that this wasn't going to stop us, that we 'we will have the life we both want', and reminding me of the summer days when we first started seeing each other at the garden. He said he got a church, a smart recovery meeting, and would do volunteer for salvation army. All broken promises - he only kept the church one.
During December, he ended up applying with a company so he could do sales, but he still had 2 or so benders after that. One of the benders, he cut his wrists with a knife in one instance, then went into a rage mode when I dumped his wine because I had enough of it. He grabbed the 1.5L bottle from my hands and 'ice crushed' it on the sink until all the plates in it were broken and the bottle too. Then he looks down on his hands and he was bleeding because cut himself while breaking the bottle. I threw him out of the house, and he broke the door in while I was trying to keep him outside, he broke in and started opening and closing the fridge so hard that everything inside was flying out. I yelled at him to stop and nothing, so I punched him in the face and he flew back.
Eventually he calmed down and paramedics came and treated his wounds. He then he started at his new job in sales in January 2019 (he used to be in the army, then worked construction), and his life started taking off, started making good money etc. Started buying a collection of suits (Hugo Boss, Armani etc), watch collection (Movado etc), it was like watching a movie when you see someone go from a dishwasher to top salesman in the company making 100k a year. I was so happy for him, so proud of him for doing that for himself, seeing him grow and putting his violent past behind him.
Around February 2019, he got into another bender, and he told his job that he wasn't feeling well - bad Chinese food from last night, he would say. Or use family getting sick to excuse himself from work. Throughout all of this his benders would last at least a week usually. He always went through the same cycles: started with I'm not drinking ever again, then that would transform into drinking is not a problem I can have a bit, I can control it, then drunk, coma drunk, then cancer patient mode (shakes, sweats, no sleep), then sad and depressed and repent, then back to normal I'm not drinking again.
Sometime in June 2019, I had a high school reunion on a weekend and there was a Raptors basketball game (not sure it was some final), he bought booze, went to a friends and we met at home. Monday came around, as I got ready to go to work, he sat on the couch and he said he wanted 'to chill' at home that day. I knew what that meant - he was going to drink and get drunk. I took his wallet and went to work thinking that would foil his plans (me being a dumbass). He had found a coin purse that same weekend and bought booze. At that point I didn't know he was deciding to go to work in his condition. He calls me at one point, and he's furious that he didn't have his debit card to buy subway. He was just a couple of blocks from me. I told him I was on my way.
I excused myself from work, and on the way there I hear the usual downtown sirens. When I show up at the subway by work, there's a huge commotion on the street. Ambulance, paramedics, police. I get to the Subway he wasn't there. When I walked outside I see him sitting on a wooden chair, and someone icing his head. Blood everywhere. He went into rage mode at Subway and someone punched him and he hit his head hard on the concrete. I felt the blood draining from my face. There was a huge gash on the back of his head. I had to run back to work to excuse myself for the rest of the day, and get my purse to go meet him at the hospital.
Once I get to the hospital, it wasn't hard finding him. He was yelling at nurses how he was from gangs - Red Scorpion, HA. He was completely delusional. The doctor wanted to keep him at the hospital so they could scan his head to see if there was any brain hemorrhage. He refused. He asked to be stapled (no anesthesia), and signed a waiver releasing the hospital from any liabilities. He got 8 staples, and he had a very bad concussion. The first thing he asked me when we came home was money for booze as if NOTHING had happened. Out of anger I slapped him (totally regret it) I was angry, I was pissed off, I felt like he traded me off for the bottle again. All the plans we were heaving he was drinking them away. He wanted to get engaged with me at one point, and I said that couldn't happen until he was sober for a very long time.
As the next day progressed I stayed home to take care of him. He'd still kept drinking even with a concussion. He got worse and worse, he was barely moving, barely talking, I had no idea how concussions worked until I saw it happening in front of me. When he talked he would have a hard time forming words. I cried and cried and cried thinking it was going to be permanent damage. During the 10 days or so that took him to get better, he asked for booze money. If I didn't give it to him he would punch walls, throw my phone, he broke a lot of my personal possessions. Purses, makeup, etc. At one point he punched the wall so hard he dislocated his arm and I had to panic look on Youtube how to get his arm back in the socket. He was crying and screaming in pain... He eventually he got better, stopped drinking, and got back to work.
July came around, he was doing good for himself and we had a planned Panama back in April. Too late to cancel at that point. In hindsight he initially told me that he didn't want to go and I ignored his feelings, firstly because I felt like I never got to enjoy and do the things I wanted - we hardly ever went out. We always stayed home and I was always a nurse, cleaner, supporter. I felt completely unappreciated. Secondly, because I was scared of leaving him alone again. Thirdly, because I had taken him to things before that he said he didn't want to do but ended up enjoying himself and having sober fun. (For example going to our local roller coaster park during Halloween). Also we never got to do many fun things - go to restaurants, eat out, go out with friends, clubbing because of his addiction. I respected that and never bought booze home. Would seldom have a drink if he was already drinking or he'd offer me. I was living for him, and I wanted to at least have SOMETHING go my way for once. A lot of it me being 'blinded', by him always promising that it was over, he wouldn't drink again, that we'd have a great future.
On the flight to Panama, he got mad because I asked the flight attendant to not serve him alcohol, so when she came by to ask what we wanted to have, she froze when he asked her if he could get anything. He got angry because he felt 'clowned'. And started drinking the moment we landed and waited for our connecting flight.
We decided that he'd take a naltrexone when we got to Panama so it'd help stop the drinking and curb it (he had stopped the meds long ago at that point - because in his head if he had stomachache the 'medicine' was drinking). So that set him over the top because it gave him a lot of sickness, he stayed in bed and drinking every single day we were there. I was miserable. He caused trouble at the Air BNB we stayed at - a list of it. Didn't pay bar tab at hotel next door so the attendants followed him back late at night woke me and family up, run after a car after throwing his sandals at it because we got honked at so the car could go through (we were walking on the driveway).
It was a real nightmare. He has always been a loud obnoxious and eventually angry and aggressive drunk. After the car situation I walked back to the Air BNB and took a elevator and didn't wait for him. He punched the door and tried to force open the elevator so me and some other people got stuck. Then he got angry at me because I got angry at him for puking all over the washroom, bathtub, walk in shower, clothes everywhere. I actually had to clean out of shame for the place we were staying at. Then when I finally lay in bed, we were still talking back and forth and he got angry at me he punched the wood headboard so hard I had to put my hands in my mouth to hide my cry and not let my family hear us fighting.He ended up humiliating me in front of my family, said that I wasn't good enough without him, that I liked money (who doesn't like money??? when I got together with him he had zero money and I had to put most of the deposit on our first place by myself), he said he was going to ruin me and my job (we worked for the same company), he would be verbally abusive when drunk.At the airport in Panama as we were getting dropped off, he went to a bar, walked out on the tab, and the waitress found us. He was angry that 'I held all of our money and didn't give him my credit card so he could drink. (He had lost his ID's debit card on the previous bender and never bothered to get them back). So I wasn't about to trust him with my high limit credit card.We flew back and he drank the whole time during the plane, lounges etc. When we got home I was in such a bad emotional state that I'd let out pain sighs. All he would say is 'I am sorry' 'I am sorry'. He over compensated the next day with a ton of sex (as if that would make up for what he did).
Eventually I told him I was going to move out on my own. He asked if it was a breakup I said no, but that I needed my own space and peace. I still wanted to help him because I know that at his core he is a person who still wants to be loved and cared for, he is a softie when sober. And also because for some reason I always perceived him as 2 distinct personalities - sober and drunk. So it was hard to see him as a whole. End of July as the moving date neared, he stayed home an started drinking again. I was trying to hit a sales target at work so I was barely home (working Sundays included). One day I came home and it was trashed as usual, and when I jumped in the shower he started punching the shower glass calling me a goof (while he was sitting on the toilet). I ended up calling the police and his friend came and picked him up. Little did he know what was going on. My bf always twisted his stories to make everyone be the evil and he was the innocent wronged by the world.
August 2019 he moved in with his friend, and we maintained our relationship (yea I'm a sucker for him and a fucking idiot). He straightened himself out and didn't drink from August - December. He worked his ass off and barely had any days off in order to avoid drinking. We would fight a lot over minor things and over what happened in Panama.
Then in December, we had a Xmas party he had a bit too much, and drank the whole weekend but was able to return to work on Monday (usually the drinking would just continue for the week) - which I was VERY surprised. Still thinking he had changed and was able to at least go back to work on Monday. We were working a lot so we spent new years at home sleeping.
He ended up having issues with his roommate (not alcohol related for once) and then moved in with me mid January 2020, things were fine, had a bender in February for a full week, after we went to his friends birthday party. He drank a ton and his friend gave him some coke...he was fine drinking at first and slowly I could feel him losing himself. He got ULTRA angry because he wanted to continue party with his buddies and I wanted to go home. Then he said I was controlling him etc, I just didn't want him to get in anymore trouble - he gets aggressive. So he started berating me at home, said he was going to break up with me. Just complete demon. Next day he was buying me flowers for valentines...He stayed home while I went to work, and the home was destroyed... Piss all over toilet, puke in sink, puke in bathtub, burnt food on stove. I had a panic attack at work because my job was very demanding and I still had to get cleaners because I couldn't keep up with the mess.
Then March and COVID came like a brick wall and we started working from home. April he had a week bender, May he had a week bender, June he had 2 weeks bender (one in the beginning and end of the month). All of these benders meant that I had to work my 9-5pm, then clean up after him, bathe him, take him to washroom, and still try and find time for me to practice my Yoga. One of the instances I took his wallet and left him for the rest of the day coming back after 11pm (when liquor store closes). He hit me with a remote when I got home and I hit him back. He flung over the couch "fucking bitch", almost punched me in the face but I had my arms around it, then he grabbed a bunch of my hair while I tried to get him off of me. He was all scratched from me defending myself, I tried to call police he took my phone and didn't let me call them, then I tried to go on my work computer and he unplugged everything. Then I tried running into the hall and he grabbed me by the arm and threw me inside I fell on the floor.
The police showed up and said for us to be careful because someone could get an assault charge the way we were going. So he took some things and went to sleep at his friends. I went there the next day, he was all sweet like a teddy, we came home and that was that.Keep in mind that June was his 30th birthday and he kept saying how he "didn't want to bring any of this into the new decade", we had a wonderful dinner at his parents, lobster and steak, it was the most amazing time seeing his photos when he was a toddler. Then the next day we come home after spending a night there and having a 'dry' birthday. His parents and everyone were always accommodating never brought anything to drink for any family event (birthdays, Christmas, etc). Then after a short nap he wakes up and says hes going to the grocery that is 400m away from home and he is a fast shopper. Guess what he went to get booze as well, because after he came home he went straight to the washroom to drink. Then he tried using perfume to 'mask it' like I'm some kind of idiot. Then he wanted to go for a 'walk' to get more. I tried to talk to him, tried to tell him to 'play the tape', and that 'he didn't want to bring this The drinking didn't stop until July first. I started hurting myself at this point. Never had before. Didn't get to the point of cutting myself but I made very thin scratch lines on my wrist. The stress was so much. I didn't know how else to relieve it.
Then in mid July 2020, my family was buying an apartment overseas,and my grandma was in the ICU - so I wanted to be close to family while also taking some time off here. It wasn't doing me any good. The day after I leave he was drinking, then his work tried to get a hold of him because he was missing for days again (he never works drunk and doesn't answer phone or talk to anyone) and said sorry you need to take care of yourself come back when you are doing better.
Then I was a bit hurt because he called me yelling at me that i was controlling his life from across the world (he lost his phone so I removed his apple pay for security purposes but then later found the phone 3-4 days later). Then he forgot his wallet at his friends and came home with cellphone only and got pissed when he tried to buy alcohol next day. He said if I didn't fix it for him, he would destroy the whole apartment. So when he got better, he cleaned the whole apartment and he sent me photos saying he did it because he loved me.
I wasn't too chummy, I just minded my own business and he would message me asking if i missed him and I would reply yes, I miss you a lot. But then apparently these were 'red flags' - he started thinking that I was cheating on him for no reason whatsoever saying 'his mind is filling in the blanks' because I didn't take as many photos in this trip (how??? with covid lockdown and all I wasn't even able to see all of my family), even though I would talk to him almost all day long everyday just not being chummy like I used to.
So on the Friday before I got home - July 31 (I was supposed to get home by Sunday morning because of COVID the flights were messed up and missed a connection and only got here Monday), he started yelling at me because I think he just missed me and wanted me to come home I guess and he was anxious for that. I took it the wrong way, I said "your happiness is not my responsibility, I already go above and beyond for you as a girlfriend", then it was his turn to be angry at that. Because of his yelling and making it sound like I didn't want to come home quick enough (I had a layover in Sao Paulo, then Mexico City, and Toronto - so spent 1 night in each city). So Saturday I was going to Mexico City, I drank a lot on the plane and when I landed we started fighting and I said a bunch of hurtful shit to him which i do regret - just because he was fucked up with me plenty of times drunk did not give me the right to stoop to his level, I said shit that went from go to your alcohol shes waiting for you, to your life was inconvenienced enough by alcohol and you still go to it.
Sunday and up until i jumped on the final plane Monday, we were fighting over text and he got mad because I made a joke with my best friend (he hates my best friend because he has loved me since grade 11- I'm now 30 but always made sure that it was platonic only).He would constantly block me and hang up on me and wanted me to hear him and him only. Tried to get me to apologize for going on this trip and that it was selfish. But then I'd feel that i was never heard when I dealt with all of his shit being drunk and him just 'saying sorry' he got away so many fucking times.
I got home on Monday and we had an amazing day, he bought me flowers, made burgers, we watched anime, it felt like everything was somewhat going bk to normal except that he was drinking moderately. He didn't touch much on the subject of the fights etc, had a great day and ton of sex etc.Then Tuesday the problems started - he had a meeting with his psych and she didn't advise us to spend quarantine together. So he came home started saying that he was leaving etc, that someone was picking him up at 5 - taking his things off the closet (now i know it was emotional blackmail).
I tried talking to him, he was drinking and 'trying to leave' but never leaving. He asked me to write a letter saying that I can't kick him out and that this is his home too (but he was taking his things to leave???) which confused me a lot. Then I wrote the letter, and then he kept asking me rude things like 'did you open your legs, did you take ds on your trip, he 'tasted' me to see if I had someone cum in me. I told him I was 100% faithful to him from day one and he wouldn't believe me 'because his mind was filling in the gaps', and his psych also said that there were too many red flags in our relationship (me 'controlling' him, etc) and it was better he left etc.
So at one point on Tuesday he started calling me a whore (for one day having a one night stand off someone on craigslist 4 years ago), when he had done much worse himself. I told him to leave and stop bothering me because I tried doing everything I could for him to stay. He tried to close the bathroom door on me, I stood on the way and asked him to leave again. He pushed me and that got the washroom door of the railing and gave me a bruise. I called the police saying that our relationship was over but he wasn't leaving, and he called the cops saying I bear maced him in our apartment ( I never even bought pepper spray), and that i punched him.
The police saw that there was no bear mace deployed and the canister that we had at home was his from his 'old days'. He went to spend the night at his friends, and the police told me to change the locks, not let him in and he could only come with the police to pick his belongings up.
Wednesday August 5th - he calls me at 6:30 am saying he has an interview at 9 and that he needed his suits and that I couldn't stop him from that. I told him he needed to come with police and he said he just needed to get that, so I let him in. He got ready and the 9am didn't happen, so he went to liquor store bought more and came home (he blackmailed me to get the keys back). Then at 2 pm he got interview completely drunk, then at 3 he said he was hungry, loved me etc, I ordered doordash but there was a weird outage that lasted an hour, where it logged me out of the app after i ordered.
As i was checking my phone and trying to call doordash customer service, and call and text my delivery guy, my bf grabbed my phone and my phone was stuck on my finger because of that ring thing that holds it up. I defensively put my phone behind my back because he went from 0-100 very quick so I put my knee up to protect myself. He bit my knee, and then after that he got a hold of my hand he bit my hand super hard (around the 4th knuckle) and the ring in the back of my phone broke off.He smiled sarcastically and asked if i was going to call the police, I called the police and he got arrested on assault with bodily harm charges. He is now on a restraining order, and he picked his things up this past Sunday 23rd. This opened up all of my emotional wounds, because I'm just having a hard time letting him go. I love him too much. I am having guilt and shame for pressing charges this time.
Sorry for very long post, I might edit here and there but this is the gist of what happened to me. I am just trying to heal and move on with my life, this has been a very difficult experience because I still do believe he can overcome his drinking but it can't be done with me. I have been a nurse, cleaner, psw and it isn't healthy for me. Did we have good moments? Yes several of them that I will remember fondly. I will carry and cherish them in my heart. Without booze he is an amazing human being, loved by all at work and admired. He has a personality that can light up a room, super charismatic, great jokes, great listener, we never really fought when he was sober. unless alcohol was somehow involved.
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2020.08.05 02:29 gregathon_1 If someone tells you we live in a patriarchy, show them this post.

According to a study done in 2012, men usually receive 63% longer sentencing for the same crime than women do. [1] There are clearly large gender gaps favoring women throughout the sentence length distribution. Another meta-analysis found that it was advantageous for defendants to be physically attractive, female, white, and of high socioeconomic status. [2] Men receive capital punishment 100x as much as women. [3] In a study done by the University of San Fransisco Law, it found that women guilty of capital murder were far less likely to receive the death penalty than men who had done capital murder and that people who killed women were more likely to receive capital punishment than people who killed men. [4]
In the U.K., women are only jailed for serious crimes as the new Justice Secretary revealed in July of 2018. [5] While men get jailed for the most minor offenses, such as smoking weed in their own home (and get large prison sentences), women only get jailed for actually serious crimes such as murder, treason, or robbery. This is not even a new concept, as in the 1800s, whatever crime a woman committed, her husband served time for it. [6] How is this patriarchy? Feminists seem to think that chivalry was misogynistic or sexist against women, but, in reality, it protected and privileged them in almost every way.
Faculty in STEM fields have demonstrated a preference for female applicants over equally qualified male applicants by a factor of 2:1. [7] If women were being pushed away from STEM, how would this be the case?
A paper just published in the British Journal of Psychology led by Steve Stewart-Williams found that people respond to research on sex differences in ways that favor females. In two studies, participants were asked to read a popular science article that was experimentally manipulated to suggest that either men or women have a more desirable quality (for example, men/women are better at drawing or men/women lie less often). Participants evaluated the female-favoring research more favorably than male-favoring research. Specifically, participants found the female-favoring research more important, more plausible, and more well-conducted and found the male-favoring research more offensive, more harmful, more upsetting, and more inherently sexist. This pro-female bias was observed among both male and female participants, and in study two, the researchers replicated the results in a south-east Asian sample. [8]
We have also found that people have a stronger desire to censor science that disfavors women. In this study, participants were asked to read a series of passages from books and to decide whether the text should be censored (for example, whether it should be removed from the library, whether a professor should not be allowed to require it for class). One passage argued that either men or women make better leaders. The results showed that people wanted to censor the book more when it argued that men make better leaders than women than when it argued the opposite. [9]
According to a study done by Developmental Science, on the development of implicit and explicit gender attitudes, found that both sexes are significantly biased towards females over males. “Findings demonstrate that implicit and explicit own-gender preferences emerge early in both boys and girls, but implicit own-gender preferences are stronger in young girls than boys. In addition, female participants’ attitudes remain largely stable over development, whereas male participants’ implicit and explicit attitudes show an age-related shift towards increasing female positivity. Gender attitudes are an anomaly in that social evaluations dissociate from social status, with both male and female participants tending to evaluate female more positively than male.” [10]
A meta-analysis found that women, on average, receive substantially more help than men, and men give more help than they receive. [11] This is backed up by the literally innumerable amount of money spent on female causes. For instance, federal and state money subsidizes more than 15,000 women’s studies courses versus a measly 91 men’s studies courses. In Canada, Canada’s Department of Education helps fund the Canadian equivalent of the National Organization for Women 7 and every Canadian province has a Women’s Directorate (Ontario’s has a staff of fifty-one and a budget of $8 million per year). A Google Scholar search for misogyny yielded 114,000 results, whereas a search for misandry yielded only 2,340. The data is pretty clear: people are vastly more sympathetic toward women and their causes than they are to men.
Boys also receive vastly more corporal punishment than girls (such as getting paddled), along with African-Americans and Hispanics. [12] Why do boys have to receive violent education when women who misbehave and do the exact same offense do not?
Girls earn significantly better grades than boys in the education system unlike what is found in scholastic achievement tests, according to a meta-analysis done by the University of New Brunswick.[13] Another study done by OECD confirmed this very fact: when the teacher does not know that the student is a boy, his grade is put at least ⅓ higher than it already is. [14] This shows a significant bias towards girls in terms of grading since it has nothing to do with scores.
The pressure to be masculine amongst men is also significantly greater than the pressure to feminine amongst girls. The teenage suicide rate amongst gays is 3x as high as the suicide rate amongst lesbians. [15] This implies that effeminate men are more likely to get bullied than women who act more manly. Think about it: if a girl showed up to school or work dressed manly (say with a suit), no one would bat an eye; but, if a boy showed up anywhere with a dress, he would be completely laughed at and made fun of.
Additionally, in family courts, women win 90% of all child custody cases. [16] This is plain and simple misandry (or sexism against men) in the court system, and no one talks about it. There is absolutely no reason why a woman has more of a right to her own child than a man, and to claim otherwise would be discriminatory.
Men also pay 97% of alimony (or financial support to their spouse post-divorce). [17] Men don’t make that much more money than women (considering the wage gap is not that large), and, therefore, should not have to pay that much alimony. Once again, plain and simple misandry.
Men are also exploited as cash machines by other women in relationships. 70% of U.K. women would instantly change their minds about leaving a boring man if he won a lottery jackpot. [18] 78% of US women said a partner with a steady job was the most important trait in a future spouse. [19] 75% of women say that they would have a problem with dating someone who doesn’t have a job, and only 4% of women would go out with an unemployed man. [20] In China, women expect men to provide apartments along with a cash marriage offer in order to have a relationship. [21] Women are seen as sex objects, but men are seen as success and money objects. A man’s success and wealth matter more than his individual character.
In life-threatening situations (such as abandoned ships), women and children are always saved first. [22] When a man and woman fail to protect, the results are always different. For instance, when a male captain failed to control his ship and the resultant oil spill destroyed wildlife, the names Exxon Valdez and Captain Joseph Hazelwood became infamous. Captain Hazelwood was put on trial, fined, and imprisoned. He became the pitiful butt of jokes by Johnny Carson and Jay Leno. His drinking was highlighted. The fact that a sudden schedule change had pushed an exhausted captain and crew back to sea and into a ruined career was ignored. So, what happens when a female captain does that?
When a female air traffic controller failed at her job and the resultant air crash killed thirty-four humans (not wildlife), her colleagues took her to a hotel to shield her from publicity. They spent days comforting her. Instead of being the butt of jokes, she received humor therapy, paid for by taxes. Rather than sue her, the Federal Aviation Administration provided her with a counselor. Instead of publicizing her name, the National Transportation Safety Board cooperated in keeping her identity secret from the public. To this day, her name remains virtually unknown. Headlines in papers from the Los Angeles Times to The New York Times focused on her grief, not the grief of the families of those killed or the ruined lives of those injured, for instance: “Controller Was Stricken by Grief, Tears after Crash.” If this is true, then how would the misogyny theory make sense? We clearly accept female error a lot better than we do male error, so this would point to an entirely different narrative than most feminists push.
Male genital mutilation is also legal, but female genital mutilation is not. While some forms of female genital mutilation are a lot worse than male genital mutilation, both are not O.K. If you look at the procedure of circumcision, it is quite horrible; the baby is screaming and crying as his penis’ foreskin is retracted using a clamp. [23] - Warning: Graphic The fact that male babies should be allowed to get tortured and reduced sexual pleasure should be something eliminated and removed from society if we want to get anywhere towards gender equality.
In terms of domestic violence, 70.7% of domestic violence is female-perpetrated [24]; and according to the CDC, 53.3% percent of men had been the victims of intimate partner violence in the past 12 months. [25] So, the question remains: why are there no domestic violence shelters for men? Even though it is true that a lot of domestic violence against females go unreported, the media still paints domestic violence as a female-only issue when the statistics (of reported cases) shows otherwise.
Every time, women are killed somewhere, in the news headline, it is almost unanimously made clear that, indeed, a woman was killed; but when a man is killed, he is usually referred to as a person., Take for instance, the Chibok schoolgirl kidnappings where hundreds of schoolgirls were kidnapped by a terrorist group called Boko Haram [26]; everyone from Barack and Michelle Obama [27] to the U.K. government [28] denounced the kidnappings as misogynistically intended kidnappings made to take away education from girls. However, almost none of these girls were actually killed; they were put into an arranged marriage with the chance to escape. The boys, on the other hand, were burned and killed; and mind you, they were called “people,” “students,” and “villagers,” not “boys” or “men.” [29], [30], [31], [32], [33], [34], [35] In one of the reports written by AFP, it is said: “A hundred and six people, including an old woman, have been killed by the attackers, suspected to be Boko Haram gunmen…” [36]
According to an Oxfam protection survey, 41% more killings were of men and boys by Boko Haram than of women and girls [37]; the number was even higher amongst adults, with 77% more men killed than women. Whenever girls are killed (or kidnapped), their gender must be mentioned since it has to do with that; but when it’s boys killed, it’s just a group of individuals dead and must never have anything to do with their gender. Studies have confirmed this as well, that female victims (and especially white females) are focused most in the media. [38]
This plays into the concept of “male expendability,” or the idea that in society, female life matters more than male life. In 1998, shortly after the Rwandan genocide, Hillary Clinton gave a speech in El Salvador, saying: “Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat.” [39] This implies that the men who died aren’t really the victims of war; it is women who matter because they are impacted by the death of men, not because the men, in and of themselves, died.
The “male disposability hypothesis” is also backed up by many studies. In 2016, a study published in the journal Social Psychological and Personality Science where it found that people would be significantly more willing to sacrifice men than women in times of crisis; they are also more willing to inflict harm upon men rather than women. [40] A study done in Poland (in 2017) found that people were 3 times as likely to deliver severe electric shocks to men when asked by an experimenter to do so than to women. [41] A study done in 2000, found that amongst vehicular homicides, drivers who kill women very often get much higher sentences than drivers who kill men. [42] This is also true in regards to all crimes; according to a study done in 2004, criminals who victimized females received vastly more punishment than those who victimized males. [43] A husband whose wife died is way more likely to commit suicide and be depressed than a wife whose husband died. [44]
It explains why 93% of workplace fatalities are male [45]; men are forced to do dangerous jobs, which gets them killed and society simply doesn’t care. This is confirmed by a study done by the USBLS, which found that the most hazardous jobs (the ones with the highest-death percentage) were almost exclusively male [46], [47]:
Firefighting
99% male
Ironworking
99% male
Trucking
98% male
Construction
98% male
Logging
98% male
Coal Mining
97% male
Whereas the least hazardous jobs (ones with the lowest-death percentages) were always almost completely exclusively female [48]:
Secretary
99% female
Receptionist
97% female
The Jobs Related Almanac ranked 250 jobs from best to worst based on a combination of salary, stress, work environment, outlook, security, and physical demands. 24/25 out of these jobs were 95-100% male-dominated. [49] Military deaths are largely male as well. According to the FAS, in the Korean War, 99.9% of all deaths were male. In the Vietnam War, once again, 99.9% of all deaths were male. During the Persian Gulf War, 95% of all deaths were male. During Panama, 100% of deaths were male. During OEF and OIF, 98% percent of deaths were male. Why is this such a persistent theme?
“I think women are too valuable to be in combat.” - Casper Weinberger, U.S. Secretary of Defense (under Reagan)
“It is not appropriate for women to engage in combat... to be captured or to be shot, as opposed to pushing a button someplace in a missile silo.” - Sandra Day O’Connor, Supreme Court Justice
“If there’s a fire at sea and you have to slam down a hatch to save the ship, you might do it on a man. But on a woman…”
According to the feminist, this must be due to sexism, since women have to stay in the kitchen. I also don’t think, however, that being brutally killed in war is all that much better than being a caretaker due to evolutionary instincts. As all this evidence (including the quotes) shows, it is female life being placed as more valuable than the male life, that is an explanation for this male disposability.
If feminism is about, “aiming to establish and achieve the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes,” then why does it never talk about these issues? Why does it stay silent on the issues that really matter? Why are there no gender studies classes on any of these topics? It’s almost as if the media, politicians, and radicals don’t actually care about the equality of the sexes, but are only looking to drive an oppression narrative to which it can gain political standings off of.
These are serious examples of structural sexism that have long-standing impacts, and all we can ramble about is how it’s harder to pronounce ‘woman’ rather than ‘man?’ Or how insults against a man in English also insult women in some subtle way?
Saying the word ‘policeman’ will discourage little girls and even grown women from becoming police officers, but calling the force of evil that oppresses women after men (patriarchy) and the force of good that will bring gender equality after women (feminism) is completely fine? We can’t carry on this absurdity as a society of claiming structural oppression against women. We have to focus on real issues, and then truly work to achieve some form of gender equality.
This idea that patriarchy exists and male privilege is a harmful myth that helps no one. Men who want to feel guilt for something that they’re not even guilty of in the first place are plain and simple simps. They want to pretend like they share guilt for all female problems.
Response to common feminist myths:
Some feminists may object by pointing out the wage gap, and that women earn less than men (specifically 77 cents to the dollar a man makes). But, the reason is that this merely divides the annual salary of men with women. It does not take into account career professions, where women have statistically been shown to go to careers that pay less and careers where men get paid more vice-versa. [50] For the same job and qualifications, the wage gap is 98 cents to the dollar a man makes. [51] However, this still does not account for the number of hours worked, which men work a lot more of. [52] Also, it has been found that young, single, and childless women earn 17% more than men. [52] Going by feminist standards, we have just proved that we live under a misandrist matriarchy! Asking why male CEOs make more than female CEOs is seriously like asking why female models get paid more than male models. Some women get paid 180 grand to sell feet pics. [53] Seriously, taking one picture a day or week of their own feet and getting paid fortunes. The “pay gap” is something that is really appalling because it displays a lack of basic common sense.
Women have been, evolutionarily speaking, caretakers. [54] In hunter-gatherer societies, women gathered and took care of kids, whereas, men cooperatively hunted. [55] So, they often make career choices that make less money and sometimes, even no money. Women, therefore, naturally thrive under jobs such as nursing or even abstinence of jobs altogether in the pursuit of taking care of offspring. The fact that women tend to choose fewer STEM careers is not the result of cultural prejudice because a study done in countries (where there’s higher national gender equality) found that sex differences in the magnitude of relative academic strengths and pursuit of STEM degrees rose. [56] This isn’t sexism, it’s just basic biology.
But, why do women hold less than 25% of governmental positions in the U.S. nationwide? Why can’t women become leaders like men? Why do men take up the top 1%? The problem with this is that it ignores everything else. Men take up 70% of the homeless [57] and are 2x as likely to be drug-addicted. [58] This takes up about 15% of the population, according to the CDC. [59] So, the fact that men take up the top 1% means absolutely nothing if they also take up the bottom 15%. Also, looking at men in government and saying they have all the power is like looking at women in grocery stores and saying they have all the food. It’s a matter of choice, not adding a gendered prefix next to a suffix.
Plus, most of these congressmen, CEO’s, etc… have wives and children that benefit from the money that they make; the spouses of CEO’s end up inevitably doing less work than the CEO’s themselves. In Japan, overwork resulting in death is called karoshi. So, far, in the past 20 years, sudden deaths amongst executives have gone up by a lot. And, as usual, men in their 40’s take up the vast majority of these deaths. [60]
Another method that feminists use to justify patriarchy is rape culture; men have the privilege of not being raped whereas women do. However, this is just false; men are actually raped way more often than women when accounting for the number of prison rapes (over 900,000 male inmates raped), according to The Guardian and the American Public Health Association. [61], [62]
Feminists will also bring up slut-shaming against women as an example of societal sexism against women; women are slut-shamed for being promiscuous, whereas men can be as promiscuous as they want. But, this is actually completely incorrect. In fact, a study done by George Washington University found that on Facebook, promiscuous males are slut-shamed much more than promiscuous women. [63] And for those that do slut-shame women, a large majority are women themselves. [64]
But, what about sexual harassment? Don’t women get sexually harassed and men don’t have to deal with that? Male privilege! Actually, let’s look at the facts. Since 1988, making a dirty joke, looking at a woman’s short skirt, calling a female employee “honey,” can all be illegal and considered sexual harassment if a woman decides she doesn’t like it and the man has perpetrated the act. [65] In other words, women have the power to imprison men for "sexual harassment" if they do anything that could be interpreted as sexually suggestive. When you actually delve into the politics of sexual harassment, a different image other than the feminist model of misogyny emerges.

Thank you guys for reading!
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2020.07.23 02:52 mitotheking Alliesreich Lore Report 1: Introduction

Hello everyone, I’m Mito and welcome to the first-ever, Alliesreich Lore Report. Before I get into the topic(s) of today, I would like to summarize what this alternative-history mod is about. This alternative history scenario doesn’t have a single PoD, but rather a whole bunch of them, similar to Godspeed or Red Flood, and this is how the world of AR is shaped. I mainly attribute this to the fact that Alliesreich isn’t a pretentious “realistic” scenario, nor does it try to be, while it tries to be somewhat consistent logically, the priority is cool and fun scenarios, not “realistic” ones.
Alliesreich, in many ways, is an amalgamation of my memey, cool, cursed, or other ideas from multiple mods that didn’t make the cut there for whatever the reason might be. Some of these include the Exalted (Ottoman) State of Rome, absolute genius Napoleon III, Brazilian warlords with Portugal being able to unite it, Esoteric Canadian Prince Eddie, Liberal Hitler, Muslim Bordiga, Muslim Socialist Russia, Ottoman protectorate of Banat, New Zealand-dominated Oceania, and many others.
Some of these seem, and usually are, wacky, however with Alliesreich we tried to make some sense of these ideas and give them logical PoDs for these scenarios to play out. They aren’t as significantly effective as earlier PoDs or aren’t as random or insane as some others, but they aim to create a consistent and different yet somewhat recognizable world, set in the time period of WW2. As our world comes ever closer to having finished lore, and although it’s a few months away optimistically the coding gets closer to 0.1 (any skilled coders are welcome to join, I’ll have posted the discord or any other links for applications, as most of the content is coded in by me, a lot of nations don’t/won’t have content for 0.1 release), I wanted to start doing lore reports with people to explain the history of this alternative world.
Before further ado, I’d like to make a shout-out to two of the people who have helped me the most on this quest, SwordCunt (sorry he just has a profane name lol), who has helped figure out a significant chunk of the lore and although he left a lot of his ideas and lore have really helped shape our lore, and Eebenpuunmusta, who has been helping me figure out this mod from day one whether it be lore or coding, has done whatever original portraits we have and has overall been very helpful with the development of the mod since it’s infancy. Now, let’s talk about ideologies, some of the lore of Alliesreich, some general and some retaining to the Entente, as well as a bit about my plans for the mod.
Alliesreich Ideologies
Alliesreich has six ideologies, from left-wing to right-wing it goes: Marxist, Moderate Socialist, Liberal, Conservative, Right-wing Populist, and Reactionary Ultranationalist. Let’s go over each of them respectively:
General lore
Well, our story begins in the 18th Century, in the earlier to the middle of the century the Ottomans, in an unexpected move, manage to take Southern Italy, and not just that, but Rome itself. However, in Justinian fashion, Rome falls to Christians again within 10 years, and with the rest of the Mezzogiorno being lost over a period of ~250 years.
The largest effect Ottoman ownership has on the region is conversion to Islam, over time Mezzogiorno becomes majority Muslim, and while Crusader Kingdoms set up in the region try their best, they’re not able to significantly convert them back to Catholicism, however the region still very much has Catholics, it is similar to the rate of Muslims in Albania or Bosnia at somewhere between 50%-70%. Either way, these converts, despite being the most fervent Italian nationalists and unionists, are considered by many in the North as not Italian at all.
Regardless, the Napoleonic Wars, for the most part, are the same, however, there are a lot of PoDs in this time period that has large impacts on the future. For example, after King George III has a psychotic breakdown, lasting from 1799 to 1803, Britain emancipates Catholics (starting a trend of relative British tolerance towards the Irish), adopts the title of Empire of Britannia/Britain, and places a more centralized system of representation for its colonies. Britain, also instead of asking for Ottoman submission, offers them an alliance, one which as it would turn out, would last for centuries. France also is unable to land in Egypt, Britain sinks the fleet before it can land and Muhammed Ali uprisings never happen, Egypt still revolts later on however Ottomans manage to put it down then and establish an East Indies type of company in charge of it, turning Egypt into a more conventional Western-type colony.
Ottomans also commit themselves to the Napoleonic Wars, taking and reinstating their vassal in Ragusa (which kinda becomes a state similar to Luxembourg over time), as well as taking the Ionian Islands. Britain also wins a larger victory against America in the War of 1812, and Spain doesn’t lose Peru in the American Wars of Independence, as a result, Peru-Bolivia remains loyal to the crown while a La Platan republic arises in the South. Russia also is never able to enter into the Caucasus region, and the implications of that will be discussed a bit later. Either way, lore gets overall more specific after this stuff.
PS. Here are also some maps, this one is of in-game Europe, and this one is a bit outdated mbam World Map, which I will try to update fairly soon.
Ottoman Lore
After the first PoD in the earlier to mid 18th Century, the next PoD is around 1787-1792, with the Russo-Ottoman war of the time, with it ending in a mild Ottoman victory instead, which results in Russian colonized lands of the former Crimean Khanate being officially conceded to Russia with the Crimean Khanate being reinstated as a vassal of the Ottoman Empire. This war is somewhat of a turning point ITTL, as the Sultans would realize after this that they would have to modernize and adapt to industrialization and other systems of Western Europe if this falling Empire is to recover and catch up with the other Great Powers. First of these being the abolishment of slavery, which while controversial within the empire, does work out to its benefit overall.
Post-Napoleonic wars, some of these changes start to show their effects and have larger effects. Ottomans, by the time of the IRL Greek Revolt, have granted autonomy to Attica and in spite of Islamic laws, soon after agreeing to drop extra taxes on Greeks and Bulgars, with the Ottomans gaining both their loyalties by the end, Bulgars becoming integrated, unlike the Greeks. The Sultan, realizing the legacy of Mehmed II, and the idea of Rome as a national identity, switches his main title to “Kayser-i Rum”, Caesar of Rome, and the Porte starts to use the name “Rum” more and more often, bringing back the usage of the original official name of the Empire, “Devlet-i Aliye Osmaniye Rum”, and term Rum starts being used more liberally for all subjects or citizens of the Ottoman Empire. Ottomans become just another dynasty on the Byzantine throne in history books, though some of these changes take a long time obviously. I’d also like to emphasize that Greek-speakers, although various peoples are legally emancipated and integrated, with some gaining autonomy, Greeks are among the few peoples who are both de jure and de facto fully emancipated and become equals within the empire, this isn’t to say others don’t have equal rights and such, Greeks become very prominent in the Ottoman bureaucracy and politics, this is both supported by and supports the fact that many Greeks contribute massively to the economic vitalization of the Empire.
Moving on, among the many peoples of the Roman Empire, Armenians are, along with Albanians, integrated as core peoples of the Empire. Now, the reason Armenians don’t have autonomy is mainly due to Armenians never come to make up the majority of Erivan or most other urban regions ITTL, which was a result of Russian ownership as well as the Armenian genocide both of which do not occur ITTL, and as a result, Armenians are more dispersed within Anatolia, Istanbul, and the Caucasus. However, they still are granted emancipation and a lot of the real-life animosity between the Ottoman State and Armenians is avoided. Moving on, due to a certain revolution in Russia in the 1830s-1850s (which I will talk about next time), Imereti is annexed by the Ottomans, and due to the impoverished nature of the region at the time they see a period of conversion similar to Albania and Bosnia, and the main regional and ethnic identity becomes Laz, with the region later being called Lazistan.
In the late 1840s to 1850s, Serbs are also granted autonomy, however in a twist of events, zealous Serbian Ulema takes over the autonomy, and as a result of the chaos in the world, they are unable to do anything as the Ulema convert all Serbs to Islam. By the end, that Ulema was punished however this situation is very much irreversible, though soon after this Serbs also are emancipated.
Ottomans at the time with the ongoing Hungarian revolt in Austria, occupy Banat and Syrmia, while Syrmia is integrated Banat becomes a semi-autonomous principality like Romania, and due to later various Ottoman-Hungarian Wars, Serbian migrations, and so on, German-speakers come to dominate the principality, however, they view themselves not as conventional Germans mainly attributed to the fact that they’re not nearly as ethnic.
Anyway, Ottomans also start to invest massively in Western-style education and literacy, along with other statistics, increases massively, and many of the illiterate parts of the Empire in Africa like Libya or Eritrea become Turkified over time, on top of many settlers, leading to many Greeks and other Christians to settle among the ethnic or non-ethnic Turks in colonies. Over the 19th century, Ottomans come to integrate Jews (who were practically integrated anyway), Albanians, Kurds, Laz, and lastly Syrians. They also realize that, with Russia Islamicized, and the majority of the Orthodox world within their country, the title of Defender of Eastern Orthodoxy is a vacant title and adopt it.
Syria and Syrian identity are different than IRL Syria, they include Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon (which gains autonomy), and Iraq, on top of which it becomes dissociated from Arabic identity. Syrians still very much speak the Arabic language, however, they see themselves as Arabic-speaking Rum (Romans) rather than Arabs on the Arabian Peninsula or North Africa, many of whom they regard with very little respect and often in derogatory terms, though that is not unlike literally every other group in the Ottoroman Empire.
Regardless, the Ottomans, thanks to emancipating a large number of their Christians, many of whom are land or business owners, Ottomans see rapid industrialization, much of it concentrated around the Aegean and Marmara, with Konstantiniyye, Izmir, Salonika, and Athina becoming a truly world-class metropolis. This process also sees huge population growth and an increase in quality of life for many, and Ottomans becoming a proper modern great power in the world, recovering from the Great Turkish War and the losses of the 17-18th Centuries. Though of course troubles come a-knocking every once in a while, as they lose Tunisia to their own ally France in the early 1880s. The Ottomans also manage to build the Suez Canal on their own, continuing to dominate Egypt and the regional trade, on top of already dominating all the coasts of Arabia, the Horn of Africa, significant chunks of Central America, Southeast Asia, and the Balkans.
Ottomans, while strong, are far from invincible (this is not an Ottowank mod, Ottowank would be Ottoman world conquest), they still have a number of internal weaknesses, things to deal with, and the increasing costs of Western Colonialism and administration. They are a great power regardless, one that’s consolidated its place in the world. I’d say they’re of similar stature to IRL France in this period, barring overall a smaller army and larger navy. In 1934, the Ottomans or State of Rome finds itself in yet another point of important choices that will impact their future deeply, whether it be the structure of the state or republicanism, Rome finds itself at the crossroads once again, with them being surrounded by Hunnic Hordes or Germanic Tribes yet once more.
France
Until 1848, events occur in a similar fashion for France, bar the British being unable to successfully mediate the Belgian revolt in the 1830s and the Dutch agreeing to split Belgium with France, meaning Belgium officially never existed. In 1848, Louis-Napoleon, nephew of the original Napoleon, takes power after the overthrow of the Orleans and eventually declares himself the Emperor of the French. However ITTL, Napoleon III is an absolute genius and manages to quite rapidly industrialize much of France, not only seeing massive population growth but also making it much closer in strength to France’s main ally, the British. Good investments, effective military reforms, education reforms, among many others sees France’s rise to a superpower. These obviously take a while to truly show their effects but regardless in the end they make France much stronger. France, similar to IRL post-Napoleonic diplomacy, sees a good ally in the British, as well as their loyal ally the Ottomans, and these three become very close allies over the century. France abandons Russia permanently, as it becomes even more of a backwater under Islamic rule.
France, with her allies Britain and the Ottomans, aids and successfully makes a strong ally out of the Kingdom of Mexico, allowing them to have a fairer fight against the Americans and keep more of their own lands. On top of this, France and Britain also aid the Confederate States of America, permanently destroying any sort of possible relations between America and the aforementioned Imperial powers, on top of which they break the Monroe Doctrine by taking territories in the Americas, at a time America is unable to do anything about it. The CSA still loses, Britain and France only actively aided them through supply shipments and recognition, however, this hatred of empires leads to a massive anti-imperialist, republicanist, and socialist sentiment in America, making reformists, radical laborists, and other moderate forms of Socialists dominant in American politics. The results of this will be covered in a future lore report.
France also takes Catalonia from Spain in its velvet revolution in 1848, which sees the Bourbons escape to Peru and republicans, later radical laborists, take charge in Spain. Moving back along to France, these rapid changes and improvements in French society cement radical Bonapartism as a political force.
France also manages to colonize Algeria and other colonies properly ITTL, with it being integrated as core French territory much earlier, and despite the non-existence of the French Republic, Napoleon III does still pursue a Universalist approach with French nationalism. For many Louis-Napoleon comes to represents the ultimate Enlightened Despot, a true Philosopher King, combining radical ideas with traditional values. His most famous moment, perhaps infamous for many, is his victory at Sedan, where he encircled and completely annihilates the German monarchist army (I’ll get to that in a bit), capturing the Kaiser and Bismarck, leading to a Jacobin victory in the German Wars.
The war was over the monarchists trying to retake the Left Bank of the Rhine, which France took and annexed fairly soon after the start of the German Wars in 1848, and like with Alsace IRL majority of these regions were Francophile became integrated as German-speaking French regions. France also acquires Romandie in the early 1900s in a crisis.
For all their successes as a superpower, France does lag behind in some areas like colonial ambitions isn’t as colonial ITTL, and they also alienate a large chunk of Europe, while they colonize what they had in Africa plus Cameroon and a protectorate over Ashanti, which is a Sarawak-type whitey-run monarchy, in this case, ruled by Wurttemberger minor royal house Rommel (hmmm I wonder who could be in charge?), while they also retake Haiti under Napoleon III, that’s integrated as a core French territory, for example, they ignore Germans taking all of the Congo, and lose Indochina. Despite these mishaps, France, as a major industrial power and with a core population rivaling Germany, is able to dominate much of Europe and the world with their Allies, though it's very much not guaranteed things will stay that way, especially after the death of Napoleon III in 1879, though his heirs were by no means bad and built and improved upon what Louis-Napoleon set in motion. 1934 France.
British Empire
The British Empire ITTL, is in a peculiar spot. To start off, Norway, right at the end of the Napoleonic wars, asks Britain for help to defend herself from the Swedish and Danish bastards, and Anglos accept, leading to a relative of Victoria to ascend the throne of Norway, leading to Norway keeping Iceland, Greenland, the Faroes, Jamtland, and Gothenburg. Now, in a strange twist of events, around 20-30 years later, the King of Norway died heirless, and after some discussion within both parliaments, Victoria ascended to the throne of Norway in a personal union, leading to Norway being incorporated as a core of the British Empire. This inclusion leads to it benefitting massively from imperial trade and exploitation, seeing industrialization, huge population growth, and a stop to emigration, and overall improvement of Norway.
The Kingdom of Norway, meanwhile, becomes the British model for home rule, while not as autonomous as dominions in OTL, Britain slowly allows for the creation of autonomous Kingdoms within the Empire of Britain, and this model is pretty much consolidated after the creation of the Kingdom of Canada and Kingdom of Ireland.
Speaking of Ireland, the famine is avoided thanks to the emancipation of Catholics in the early 1800s and as a result tension and animosity between Anglos and Irish lowered and lowered over time, and by the starting date of 1934 Anglos and Irish are tolerant of each other as much as Anglos are tolerant of the French are today.
On the other hand, Britain gives cold shoulder to America up to the point of the Mexican-American Wars and American Civil War, Britain also retains Caribou on top of taking and colonizing all of the Oregon territories. With the end of the wars, America, while not necessarily revanchist, grows to deeply hate the Empires and sees the EB (Empire of Britain) as the bane of its existence, one it must eventually destroy. This revolutionary sentiment continues and radical laborist movements, fervently republican and anti-imperialist, come to dominate the politics of America, as a result, Britain is able to colonize Hawaii and other Pacific Islands as well as Nicaragua which it builds a canal at. Americans still build the Panama Canal, but under different terms which will be discussed at a later date.
The British, while still quite strong ITTL, don’t reach the same peak they did IRL, much of it is owed to Ottomans owning and building the Suez, and while they are friendly with them Ottomans wouldn’t try to strengthen someone, particularly another empire stronger than them, as a result of the ties between the Home Isles and India still rely on Cape.
Cape Colony also never federates with the Boer Republics ITTL. As a result, Anglos in the region, and later emancipated locals, became dominant in South African society, rather than Boers, leading to a much more loyal and liberal, unitary Kingdom of South Africa. While some Boers are pissed, Anglos, through the power of war-crimes, are able to easily neuter them.
New Zealand also gains home rule, however, Australia, due to the lack of Irish immigration, never gains home rule and remains separate colonies (as a sidenote Ireland has 16 million people ittl). While Britain is somewhat weaker than OTL in the post-1880s era, they do have higher British sentiments within their home rule possessions (as opposed to nationalist or nativist sentiments), and it is likely they’ll be able to keep around what they have for a longer time.
ITTL, in the Post-WW1 era, in which they didn’t take part, less social reforms, crisis, and economic crash, lead to large amounts of unrest, culminating in the General Strike leading to endless rioting, which causes the royal family to evacuate the Home Isles, fleeing to Norway.
After Labor realizes that the monarchy has fled, they establish a provisional republican government, the Union of Britain, and radical Laborist Oswald “the Mose” Mosley is elected as a compromise candidate of parliament, though he is more seen as a pawn of the dictatorial parliament. This government is recognized immediately by America, Spain, and the Comintern, leading to NATO, an alliance between the radical laborist republics of America, Spain, and UoB. I will further expand upon UoB lore in the NATO report, whenever that may be.
In the chaos of all this, Ireland declares independence as a republic, aligning with Germany, much of India breaks away with the Raj only holding on in Southern India, Germany annexes many of their neighboring British colonies, and upon British request, Malta and Gibraltar are occupied by France. New Zealand also occupies the various colonies of British Australia, Canada integrates Newfoundland, South Africa occupies Botswana and annexes South Rhodesia.
After the loss of much of the Empire and the lack of responsibility or seriousness Prince Edward seemed to display, on top of his playboy attitudes and tendency to sleep with married women, George V disinherits Eddie, leading Prince Albert to become the heir apparent. This leads to Eddie becoming begrudged against his father and brother, as Eddie who never wanted the crown up to that point in his life now wants it more than anything. George V’s sons, except Albert, are appointed as governors of various sub-Kingdoms of the British Empire that remained loyal, with Eddie being placed in Canada, Henry being placed in New Zealand, and George being placed in South Africa. Albert in the meantime is groomed to become the monarch and become the reclaimer of the British Isles. Although there is quite a bit to each of the sub-Kingdoms, I will cover the British Empire in a more detailed fashion in a future report.
Plans Ahead
Alliesreich 0.1 will include this:
My goal is to make and release the base of the mod and rework it through multiple patches over time to improve it, whether it be country reworks, map reworks, or new mechanics. I am so far working mostly on my own on this so I do want to make it clear that these are optimistic goals, and while I will do my best to get it out, this might take a while to develop, though of course feel free to apply as a dev, though I will only be allowing experienced coding devs and artists (no sort of lore devs, at the very least for now), as I feel that otherwise it can and usually does hinder mod progress significantly. Regardless if you want to apply to be a dev, here is our discord link. Overall, the main conflict will be focused on the conflict between the Entente and Mitteleuropa, though of course NATO and the Comintern will see their fair share of warring. In a few weeks, I'm hoping to present the Lore Report on the rest of the Entente, following which I will likely either write about Mitteleuropa or the Comintern. Gods peed comrades, and good luck...
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2020.07.21 00:31 milkjug101 Ranking all of the Survivor Seasons I've seen (Spoiler free)

This is my personal ranking of every survivor season. Keep in mind I have not placed seasons 1-9, 20, or 37 as I have not seen them. All of this is my opinion and if you disagree with anything on my list let me know! You might be able to change my mind.
1.) Cagayan- By far my favorite season, this is arguably the best cast the show has ever seen and it will likely stay that way. The strategy in this season is phenomenal and can only be matched with the equally likeable cast. Everyone in the cast has a place in the story and the choices they make in the season make sense making each character relatable I'm their own right. The winners story is gripping and the underdog subplots make any given member of the cast fun to root for. Easily my number one season and one that I would highly recommend to someone new to the series.
2.) Cambodia- This season saw favorites that we as watchers picked and they definitely delivered, the strategy in this season is truly like no other and may be the best in the series. The cast was picked by viewers so it's an obvious plus, and gameplay remains consistent throughout. The only thing keeping Cambodia from number one is the lack of character moments and more emphasis on strategy. A theme that would continue on to the next era.
3.) Tocantines- Speaking of character moments, this season is probably the best in the show as far as character moments go. I could watch this cast interact with each other all day and never get tired. The impressive victory of the Jalapao and the dismantling of the Timbira tribe makes the story very engaging. While the editing can be a tad lopsided it doesn't make the season any less enjoyable, and the winners arch is one of the best in the series. A great season to pick up.
4.) Phillipines- Everyone can appreciate a good underdog victory, and I would argue no season does this better than Phillipines. This season might just have the best overarching narrative of a season watching two likable underdogs navigate through a cast of equally likeable contestants. The returning players were even fun to watch because rather than be overbearing via the edit, they played their parts in the story with grace and dignity. Truly a bright spot in a dark patch of seasons.
5.) China- Another fantastic newbie cast. This season is always renowned for the likability of its cast, and the beauty of the location China takes place in. While the winning narrative might not leave you at the edge of your seat, you have to appriciate the dominance of the win, and the consistency of airtime each player has. The season is home to a couple of my favorite characters in the whole show, and rewatching China is always a joy.
6.) Winners at War- The most recent addition to this list, I have conflicting feelings about how to rank this. On one hand all of our favorite winners jump on our screen once again and deliver entertainment wise in almost every aspect imaginable, it's where production steps in that things get a little shakey. The edge made it's return to the disappointment of many, and fire tokens were introduced. These twists were not necessarily bad, but as a result of their inclusion, a significant amount of airtime was dedicated to them rather than getting to know each winner which really hurts this season. However Winners at War's winning game and overall narrative is one of legends which lands it here at number 6.
7.) Millennials vs. Generation X- Another very solid newbie season. Millennials vs. Gen X shines the most with its cast and story. Every single player in this season has their role in the overall narrative and has many degrees of likability to their character. While controversial, I love the winning story and the twists and gameplay moves remain complex and make sense. While the theme of the season might be a little hokey, Millennials vs. Gen X is a very solid entry in the series.
8.) Heros vs. Healers vs. Hustlers- This is a very controversial season and many have it very low on their lists. I watched this season for the first time this fall knowing the end result and was pleasantly surprised with a great cast, and entertaining gameplay. The main problems for HHH is the endgame. The winning game is very poor which dilutes the rest of the season, everything else in the season is fairly superb. Other than a couple duds, I could root for just about everyone in this season and while many "big moves" don't make sense, it still doesn't make it any less entertaining. I wish this season was talked about more positively.
9.) Koah Rong- Koah Rong is very similar to HHH in the sense that the gameplay and characters are fantastic, but the winner leaves much to be desired. The fact that med evacs had so much power in the direction this season goes, its really hard to rank Koah Rong much higher then it is here. While a very stimulating cast to watch and root for, I think that other, higher ranked seasons just do its job better.
10.) Gabon- Gabon is a guilty pleasure for me. On paper nothing in this season should work, a train wreck of a cast horrendous gameplay, and one of the worst winners in survivor history. But somehow, Gabon just works. The landscape is absolutely stunning, and watching incompetent players fall ass first through the game is hilarious and oddly enthralling, and the editing remains consistent as well. This season is great if you just want to watch one episode of survivor without dedicating yourself to an entire season. Although I love Gabon, I cannot reasonably rank it any higher.
11.) Panama- Panama is like putting a good season and a bad season in a blender. There are some aspects of Panama that are comedy gold, but also parts that are utterly boring and predictable. The winner is underwhelming, as is all of the La Mina tribe, but what gives this season a shot of adrenaline is the Casaya tribe, maybe the best tribe in terms of entertainment ever. Compare Casaya to it's mutable La Mina counterpart and you have a fairly interesting overarching story that I was always engaged in.
12.) Palau- This season is one of the most unique in terms of story. The devastation of the Ulong tribe is a gripping narrative, and when paired with one of the most dominant wins in survivor history, you have a really good season. Although the predictability at points bumps Palau down a couple ranks, it doesn't make it any less of a joy to watch.
13.) Blood vs. Water- What can I say about Blood vs. Water? It's just a really good season. Great cast, interesting twist, engaging gameplay, and a deserving winner. So what keeps it down here at number 13? I think the problem is that Blood vs. Water simply doesn't excell at any of these, all of the seasons above just do its job better. This season is really enjoyable and fun to watch, for some reason I just can't rank it any higher.
14.) Guatamala- I don't know why this season has the reputation of being boring, or forgettable. I've always enjoyed Guatamala as I believe it to be the last season to truly emphasize survival. The location is one of my favorites and the overall winner has one of the most unique wins this far. Although little to none of them have returned, I would love to see more of this cast back as I found nearly all of them to be very likeable. While very modest, I think that Guatamala is a hidden gem overshadowed by better seasons.
15.) Island of the Idols- I will forever be an apologist for this season. Island of the Idols gets a lot of unwarranted hate, so allow me to explain. The pre merge of IOTI is fantastic, the winner is one of my personal favorites in terms of gameplay, while fundimentally flawed, the island of the Idols itself leads to entertaining character moments, and the entire cast with one glaring exception is one of if not the best cast we've ever seen. But what just bogs this season down is merge episode and the controversies associated with it. Post merge Island of the Idols takes a very dark turn and left a very bad taste in my mouth episode after episode. I did however feel like the finale turned everything around into a very fun conclusion. Under any other circumstances this season would be ranked near the top of newbie seasons, but because of the glaring hole in IOTI I can't possibly place this any higher.
16.) San Juan Del Sur- San Juan Del Sur is a less interesting Blood vs. Water, while the season is fundimentally the same, the twist itself just doesn't live up to the first time it was tried. With a couple major exceptions much of this cast is largely forgettable. The gameplay picks up here and there but not enough to keep me too engaged. Overall, San Juan Del Sur is just a muted down version of Blood vs. Water, which was already a muted down version of other, better seasons.
17.) Samoa- I feel very conflicted about a season like Samoa. On one hand, I think this cast is great, and the underdog victory is an incredible story. On the other hand the editing of the season is horrendous and one of the worst in the series. The main problems in Samoa hinge on the fact that the entire season comes from the perspective of one player, while that player is engaging and interesting, it shoves aside the rest of this very likeable cast in their own right in order to do so. Making Samoa very hot and cold in my eyes.
18.) Edge of Extinction- While I enjoyed this season more than most, I can't rationally put it higher up on the list. Edge of extinction is a mess in editing, and story due to the theme and the winner, but that doesn't make the overall season less enjoyable. Although most of the cast is forgettable, the few gems in the cast coupled with the four returning players add a lot of merit to an otherwise mediocre season. The winners narrative, while subjectively the worst in the worst in the show somehow make Edge of Extinction one of the most unique seasons in the show, landing it here at number 18.
19.) Worlds Apart- Worlds apart is renowned for it's awful cast, poor winner, uncomfortable moments, and for the most part, these are all accurate. On a rewatch however, I found many redeemable aspects of this season. The best part for me, is the story. In the post merge watching the winner of this season time and time again foil the plans of their fellow cast mates was very enjoyable. Though it was predictable, the remaining members of the cast were so unlikable it just didn't matter. Worlds apart is like the opposite of Blood vs. Water where it tries to do many things it ends of not being good at any of them leading it to have such a negative connotation among fans.
20.) South Pacific- Many people rank this season near the bottom, and while I agree that South Pacific is not great, there are many redeeming qualities about it. Redemption island makes a return and is as uninteresting as ever, and two veterans make a return hogging all the screentime to show off their uninteresting and unlikable gameplay. Couple this with an uncomfortable religious overtone, and you have a bad season. But what lands South Pacific higher than the bottom is the cast which is largely likable upon a rewatch, and easy to root for. Unfortunately they are mostly overshadowed by their veteran counterparts but the winners story is fairly underrated and interesting to watch unfold. I would like to see this season talked about more in a positive light.
21.) Micronesia- This is going to be the biggest hot take on the list. Before you bombard me with hate comments, let me explain. I did not enjoy watching Micronesia. For reasons I will attempt to explain, I just didn't. I think that the fans vs. favorites is very lopsided and leads to very predictable gameplay. I really enjoyed the train wreck that was the fans tribe, but post swap all of them started getting picked off in a boring manor. The favorites tribe started out very solid but post merge all of the true favorites were gone, and the ones that remained were very arrogant and unlikable. While the gameplay was some of the best in the series, when it happens in a predictable unlikable manor, it just leaves a bitter taste in your mouth after watching. This case isn't helped by in a twenty person cast, two were medically evacuated, and three basically quit the game. While I can see why everyone loves this season, I personally just did not enjoy watching Micronesia.
22.) Game Changers- An all star season that is widely disliked. Much of this is because of the inaccurate title, overabundance of advantages, and lackluster batch of returnees. With one big exception, the pre merge of this season is great with many big names in survivor unfortunately leaving early but in glorious fashion. The main problem is that Gamechangers looses it's momentum post merge with its remaining cast mostly being unlikable, boring, or unnoticeable, and becomes a chore to get to once the winner becomes too obvious. There are many episodes in which uncomfortable material is discussed, game breaking twists are introduced making this season a mixed bag of mostly bad moments.
23.) Cook islands- Another very hot take, I honestly struggle to find good things to say about this season. Cook island's only redeeming qualities lie in the four standout characters it has, the uncomfortable tribe division, and narrative. Other than that it is a boring, uninteresting slog to get through. Besides like five people, all of this cast are just non entities who add nothing to the story. The tribe division was controversial, but was only in play for two episodes. The thing keeping Cook islands afloat for me is the story of the season. The Aitu four story arch is one of the best in the series leading to my personal favorite winner in the whole series. Though this is where many of the shows most iconic players started out, I just can't see why so many people put Cook Islands in their top 10s.
24.) Fiji- This season sucks. There isn't a lot going for it, generic location, unlikable cast, the most unbalanced theme to date, and controversies aplenty. Yet, if you look deeper into the season, there are qualities to love about it. While almost all of the cast were either underedited or just awful people, there are a few notable exceptions that I would love to see make a return. Though mean spirited, the contestants that were just bad people did make good TV and kept me interested, which is more than I can say for Cook Islands. The winners game is one of the most underrated in the series, and the amount of innovation in terms of gameplay is the most in shows history.
25.) Caramoan- The second fans vs favorites season which is even worse than the first one. While the first fans tribe was interesting to watch, this fans tribe consisted of nobodys who had hardly watched the game before. The favorites tribe wasn't much better, with all of the tribe being hated by fans of the show with a couple exceptions. This alone is just a recipe for disaster, which indeed it was. The editing is all over the place, and while there are a few good moments, all that I remember of Caramoan is just the spiteful negative cloud hanging over everything that in the end resulted in one of the most predictable if not strategically winners to date.
26.) Nicaragua- The first in what would be considered the "Dark ages" of survivor, and it's easy to see why. This really is the worst editing in any season of survivor, where storylines start and stop abruptly with little cohesion between episodes, and the cast is a exciting as a cardboard box. The tribe divisions by age was never going to pan out and it never did, and the medallion of power was just plain stupid. The winner is one of the most underwhelming in the series and strategy is almost non-existent, but not in a fun way like Gabon. The only redeeming qualities lie in that a couple castaways are fun to watch, however all of them get booted early merge leaving an awful season in their wake. The location is gross and overall this season is just a trudge to go through.
27.) Ghost Island- Along with Nicaragua, the editing in this season is absolutely horrendous with about only three contestants getting any screentime at all. The winning narrative is dominant, but not in a way that is fun at all. There were blueprints for a good season here, but the decision to edit only three people killed any redeemable qualities Ghost Island had. This time around the cast was at least semi likable, the problem is that we never saw any of them. The Ghost Island twist itself was interesting in concept but just came across as stupid and hogged up precious screentime that could be spent fleshing out other characters. This whole season is like a mix of Nicaragua and Samoa but somehow the end result is worse than both of them. I hope the editing department learned their lesson on this season.
28.) One World- Every other season before has had members in the cast for the audience to root for. One World doesn't have a single one. Every single cast member in this season is spiteful, boring, or just plain stupid. The tribes are on one beach which was interesting in concept, but it didn't have a chance to shine because the worst cast in 40 seasons was playing on it. In terms or story, there is no story, the winner simply plays the most dominant game ever played with little competition. The editing is at least okay but if you don't want to spend any time with the contestants it doesn't really matter. One World is bad.
29.) Redemple Temple- Redemption Island is the worst season of all time. Let's go down our checklist: Unlikable cast? Check. Bad editing? Check. Boring and predictable story? Check check and check. Redemption Island has one of the biggest steamrolls from any winner in survivor history against some of the most uninteresting and incompetent players the audience has ever seen. Much like Samoa and Ghost Island, much of the season comes from the perspective of one person and doesn't highlight the perspective of anyone else. I'm in the minority that doesn't absolutely detest the twist of Redemption Island, but it doesn't add anything to the game itself. I pray to God that this remains the worst season of all time.
Thank you for reading this list! Remember this is all my opinion and you are free to share yours below. I am currently trying to watch every season right now and I am halfway through Vanuatu so I will probably edit that in later.
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2020.07.16 20:07 InfernoAA Daddy's Home Part One: Fairy Tale Beginning

Tommaso Ciampa – Last Seen: June 7th, 2020; NXT Takeover: In Your House. That night, the Blackheart faced his toughest competition to date in the form of Karrion Kross. After suffering back-to-back major setbacks against Adam Cole and Johnny Gargano, victory was essential to get the ball rolling once again on the path to get his life back. However, what ensued sent shockwaves through the ranks of the Black and Gold brand, as in just 6 minutes, Kross absolutely dominated the former NXT Champion, getting the victory via technical submission and putting any hopes of a comeback to bed. Since then, Ciampa has been off TV, seemingly reeling in the aftermath of yet another devastating loss. NXT is still his home though, so it isn’t the last the world has seen of the Psycho Killer. In fact, his return is imminent…

NXT Great American Bash 2020 – Night 2

It’s the closing moments of the main event, featuring Adam Cole and Keith Lee in a Winner Takes All match for the NXT Championship and North American Championship. Cole has just blasted Lee with one more Last Shot and is headed to the top rope, ready to finish things off. He scans his eyes over the crowd, drinking in the energetic atmosphere, when suddenly, his eyes catch one odd-looking fan. Wearing what seems to be a Punisher Mask of sorts and a black jacket, their eyes are locked intently on the Undisputed Era Leader, giving him the chills. Nonetheless, Cole brushes it off, returning his attention to Lee back inside the ring. He jumps for the Panama Sunrise, only for Lee to counter into a Spirit Bomb! Lee hoists him up, following up with a Big Bang Catastrophe! 1…2…3! Lee has done it, he’s Double Champion! Confetti hails down from the rafters in celebration of Lee’s victory, Cole crestfallen at the end of his legendary 403-day reign. Whilst Kross and Scarlett watch on from the shadows, Cole can’t help but feel another gaze burning into him, turning around to see the person in the Punisher Mask still staring at him. As a sense of foreboding wells up in the pit of his stomach, Cole decides to swiftly head to the back into the inviting arms of his UE brethren, safe from what or whoever seems to have eyes for him…

Build to NXT Takeover: Boston

Whilst Lee spends the following episode of NXT celebrating in the ring, Cole opts to hang out backstage, still struggling to come to terms with the fact that he’s no longer Champion. He shows up to catering demanding a 5* meal for him and the boys, only to be reminded he doesn’t hold those privileges anymore. He heads to the locker room to cut a condescending speech on the up-and-comers of the brand, only to be kicked out by some of the more veteran performers, Cole no longer the locker room leader. Getting frustrated, he orders a limo to get out of the building and be left in peace, yet even those perks no longer sit in his lap. Realising there’s not much he can do himself, he hangs his head low and trudges along the corridor until he bumps into a backstage interviewer, who questions him on how he’s feeling after his loss to Lee. Cole throws a fit, feeling provoked by the mentioning of the vulnerable topic, the rest of UE trying to calm him down. He thrashes about, only to freeze as he notices something, or rather, someone watching him from the shadows. The masked individual. Era question their leader why he’s stopped all of a sudden, before following the direction his finger is pointing in, peering into the shadows… but no one’s there. Cole does a double-take, coming to realise too that the figure has eerily disappeared. He lets out a gasp of disbelief, the rest of UE clapping him on the back with smiles, telling him that he must’ve just been seeing things and needs to rest. He takes one look back just to make sure, before moving along with them.

The following week, the show opens with footage of Cole and co. pulling up at the parking lot, Cole imploring his teammates to believe him in regards to what went down the previous week. They tell him to take it easy though, having an important meeting with William Regal coming up. Bobby Fish jokes that perhaps Cole should get checked out by Dr. Lyle Von Thirstenberg, which prompts screaming from Roderick Strong as flashbacks of Dexter Lumis intensify, Roddy bolting out of the car, the rest of the group forced to follow to catch up to him. As they’re heading into Full Sail, Cole notices the bushes rustling in the distance, finding himself looking at the very Punisher Mask that’s been haunting him for the past week, this time in broad daylight. He frantically grabs Fish to look, only for the figure to disappear once again, Fish flashing Cole a questioning look. Cole shakes his head and curses, before following UE into the building. Later in the show, Cole is shown to be in Regal’s office, negotiating over him receiving a rematch with Lee. Regal tells him that he’s already got other people lined up for Lee, but Lumis seems to want to go another round with Cole after he was screwed out of winning last time, this time with no UE at ringside. Cole begrudgingly accepts, not before promising though that he’s going to get his hands back on the NXT Title one way or another.

The match occurs as scheduled, the two putting on another solid bout. In the end, Cole goes for the Last Shot to put his foe away, only for the amorphous figure sporting the Punisher Mask to appear on the stage, proceeding to stroll down to ringside, Cole watching on in shock, seeing his demons materialise in front of him. He calls for security to eject the presumably wandering fan from the area, yet nothing happens. Exasperated, he turns around and stomps back to Lumis to finish the match off, only to get caught in a Kata-Gatame! With nowhere to go and Lumis’ unsettling visage pushed so close to Cole’s, the Panama City Playboy elects to tap out, an indignant look in his eyes as he turns to see the person who screwed him out of victory. The look turns to shock as they head up the ring steps and into the ring, no one stopping them. Then it clicks in Cole’s mind as he notices an object trailing behind them… a crutch! That must mean… the figure removes their mask, revealing themself to be TOMMASO CIAMPA! In Cole’s mourning for the loss of his gold, he failed to put two and two together, Ciampa porting the mask he wore back at WarGames the whole time! Ciampa immediately pounces on Cole, wearing his crutch out all over one of his most heated rivals. He blasts Cole with a Knee Trembler, before teasing a Project Ciampa, only for the rest of UE to race out from the back, forcing Ciampa to retreat, but not before doing his signature wave as he backs into the shadows.

In the fallout of Ciampa officially returning after over a month of not showing his face, he breaks his silence, explaining the motives behind his actions last week. He takes everyone on a trip back to October 2nd 2019, the night he returned, coming face-to-face with then NXT Champion Adam Cole. At that moment, he promised himself that he would beat Cole to get his life back in the form of Goldie. Fast forward to Portland, Cole did everything he could to keep Ciampa at bay, it taking an appearance from the man Ciampa once loved like a brother to steal the victory from him. Though he got side-tracked, he didn’t forget about Cole. A few weeks ago, Cole gave up the possession of Goldie to another man, further barricading Ciampa’s path to his goal, and that pissed Ciampa off. And when he’s pissed off, what happened last week is just a fraction of the torture he’s willing to inflict on his tormentor. Since he can’t have Goldie for the time being, he wants a pound of Cole’s flesh instead. He doesn’t care whether he gets it tonight or at Takeover, but Cole can be damn sure that he isn’t leaving him alone until he gets what he wants. Upon hearing that, Cole comes out with Roddy & Bobby, retorting with scorn that title or no title, this is still his NXT, so the sacrilege he committed last week by attacking Cole won’t pass forgiven. Ciampa wants a pound of Cole’s flesh? Well, Cole’s coming for Ciampa’s head, because no one lays their hands on him without getting what they deserve.

As the three head down to the ring, Ciampa gets his crutch ready, before spinning around and lashing out with it, catching O’Reilly who attempted to sneak into the ring from behind with a chair! Ciampa sits him on the chair, holding the crutch to his throat and advising Cole to give him the answer he wants or KOR gets it. Cole paces around furiously, before ordering his partners to circle the ring and hop onto the apron, Ciampa tightening his clutch on Kyle so as to warn them. Cole demands Ciampa to let Kyle go or there’s no deal, Ciampa refusing to the terms, going to yank back with the crutch as he notices UE heading into the ring. Before he can do so though, Kyle thumbs Ciampa in the eye to break free, the group proceeding to beat down the Blackheart. The crowd anticipate the arrival of someone, anyone to help Ciampa out, only for the harsh reality to settle in that with Lee busy with champion duties, Dijakovic dealing with his own issues, Owens on RAW and Gargano turning his back on Ciampa for good, no one is coming to his aid, leaving UE to stand tall over his bruised body, claiming his crutch as a prize…

The following week, UE head to the ring, laughing sleazily as they flaunt Ciampa’s crutch, before Cole announces that last week was an example to anyone in the locker room with an ego greater than their own good. UE may not be draped in gold anymore but they’re still the greatest in NXT, and anyone who rubs them the wrong way with be the victim of their wrath. He ridicules Ciampa for the fact that he ever thought he was better than any one of them because you’re only as good as your last match, and in their last match, Cole was the undisputed victor. He continues to mock Ciampa, bringing up how not only did he prevent him from taking back Goldie, but now he also has his crutch. Unless Ciampa learns to stay quiet, Cole is going to take everything he loves away from him, perhaps his career coming next… CIAMPA RUNS OUT FROM THE BACK WITH A NEW CRUTCH, SLAMMING IT INTO COLE’S BACK! Hell hath no fury like a Psycho Killer, Ciampa bending his crutch over everyone in sight, until it’s just him and Cole in the ring alone, just the way he wanted. With UE subdued, Ciampa nails Cole with consecutive Project Ciampas, before putting him in a crutch-assisted Crossface! Cole desperately taps out, though Ciampa only releasing upon being forced to by a swath of referees, separating the two men to opposite corners of the ring as they kick and hurl insults. Regal appears on the stage, exclaiming that enough is enough. Since Ciampa and Cole can’t settle their issues like gentlemen, why not settle it the only way they should – at Takeover in a Street Fight! Ciampa grins at the idea, whilst Cole only sees red. The match is set in stone, Regal announcing one last fight to settle the score between the two enemies.

NXT Takeover: Boston

Earlier in the night, both men are seen preparing for what is sure to be a brutal bout, Cole flanked by his UE brethren, whilst Ciampa is all alone. In a pre-match interview, Ciampa states that it’s time for him to write the final chapter between him and Cole. The loss to Cole began his descent months ago, but now, it’s going to be him conquering his demons and standing tall in the end. The two competitors proceed to make their entrances, sporting street clothing to match the stipulation. Ciampa has his signature crutch on hand whilst Cole holds a UE chair, the two clamouring to tear into each other and finally settle the score.

Tommaso Ciampa vs Adam Cole – Street Fight

The two kick things off with a bit of fencing, Ciampa swinging with his crutch and Cole trying to block the shots with his chair, before retaliating with some swings of his own. Cole connects a Jumping Big Boot to knock the crutch out of Ciampa’s hand, only for him to retort with a knee to disorient his foe and send his chair clattering to the canvas, both men disarmed. Ciampa unloads with knees to Cole’s gut, backing him into the corner and stomping a mudhole into him, before stealing his ‘Adam Cole Bay Bay’ taunt, resulting in an incensed response from the Panama City Playboy, who blindslides Ciampa with a forearm. Cole gets a Lou Thesz Press, unleashing some ground and pound as Ciampa does his earnest to cover up. Ciampa manages to create separation with a kick that launches Cole through the ropes to the outside, Ciampa quickly following suit with a Diving High Knee off the apron that drapes Cole over the barricade. The UE Leader attempts to make a quick getaway, only for Ciampa to crack his exposed back with Kendo Stick shots, before blasting him with a knee to the face as he’s still dangling off the barricade, rocking his head with the impact.

He returns Cole back inside, cinching in a side headlock so he can hammer Cole’s skull with fists, before grabbing his crutch, going for a Crossface like he did on TV, only this time Cole has it scouted, nimbly slipping away to the apron. Ciampa drops the crutch and turns his attention to Cole, seeing an opportunity to connect Willow’s Bell, only to get a Gamengiri for his troubles, followed by a searing Kendo Stick shot to the spine, Cole receiving a modicum of revenge. Ciampa feels jolts in his neck, taking a moment to pause and ensure he’s good to continue, but the slight hesitation is all Cole needs to return to the ring and continue his onslaught, raining down with a deluge of whips to the back and shoulder region, the agony intensifying for Ciampa. He sets up the UE chair in the corner, attempting to throw Ciampa into it head-first, but the Blackheart is evasive, saving himself just in time and rolling out of harm’s way, Cole having to stop himself to prevent his momentum from carrying him into it. Ciampa uses the opening to grab Cole’s waist and yank him back for a German Suplex, rolling through to land a second, and then a third to complete the trifecta.

Cole once again finds his legs carrying him away from Ciampa, heading to the outside for reprieve. As Ciampa looks to follow, he meets a trash can lid to the face, sending him spilling to the floor as he loses his bearings. Cole winds Ciampa with a slew of boots to the midsection, before tossing him the trash can lid, Cole driving it into him again with Superkick! Cole tears apart the announcer’s table and leans the wooden cover against it, before returning to Ciampa, who’s already rolling with a Short Arm Clothesline to stun Cole. Ciampa attempts to put Cole through the wood with a Belly to Back Suplex, but Cole fights out with back elbows, before performing a standing switch, now trying for a Suplex of his own, Ciampa fighting out too. Ciampa attempts a Jumping Neckbreaker, only for Cole to catch it, turning it into an Ushigoroshi, Ciampa’s neck coming down on Cole’s knee hard! Cole takes advantage of the opportunity, nailing a quick Superkick, before connecting a Wheelbarrow Suplex through the table cover, Ciampa crunching through the wood as splinters scatter around the place! Cole attempts a Panama Sunrise off the apron but it’s caught, Ciampa reversing into an Air Raid Crash on the floor!

Ciampa strokes his beard tentatively as he looks at Cole, plotting out his next move, deciding to connect a Knee Strike to drop Cole as he tries to return to his feet. He slams a monitor into Cole’s back, racking it with pain, before setting him against the ring steps, going for another vicious Knee Strike. Only this time, Cole moves out of the way at the last second, sending Ciampa hurtling onto his back as his knee meets the steel with full force, Cole slapping on a grin as he realises what he’s just done. Like a shark to blood, he hones in on the knee, stomping on it repeatedly, before sending it right back into the steel steps. He sandwiches Ciampa’s leg between the steps, before stomping down yet again, this time prolonging the punishment as he stands on the steps and does his signature taunt to the booing crowd. Wrapping Ciampa’s leg around the steel post, he locks in a Figure-Four Leg Lock, straining the leg with as much pressure as he can in hopes of incapacitating his foe. Ciampa survives though, using the ropes to alleviate however much of the intensity he can, causing Cole to return back inside, bringing a trash can along with him for future usage and locking in a Figure-Four in the centre of the ring!

Ciampa writhes and struggles in his efforts to break free, knowing he has limited options of finding escape in a Street Fight, but Cole’s vice-like grip prevents Ciampa from moving around enough to drag himself to safety, or even turn the move over. Thus, Ciampa opts for the only feasible way out he can think of, reaching out to grab the crutch from earlier and waylaying Cole with it! Cole immediately releases, scurrying backwards as he quickly as he can, though still absorbing a considerable number of blows, welts remaining to tell the story of what happens when one crosses someone with the killer instinct of the Psycho Killer. Ciampa doesn’t have a chance to follow up with any offense though as he’s forced to nurse the knee whilst Cole rests in the ropes. He gingerly gets his feet under him, limping over to Cole and dragging him out of his safe spot. With all the vitriol he can muster, he uncorks a hellacious slap across Cole’s cheek, the Panama City Playboy responding with a venomous look, scoring a slugging forearm across Ciampa’s face, the pure disdain between the two men evident.

Before Ciampa can mount any serious momentum with his patented Sicilian Barrage, Cole buckles him with a Superkick to the knee, followed by a Last Shot attempt, only to soar over Ciampa’s head as he ducks under. Ciampa leaps for a Lariat, only this time Cole evades. Thinking on his feet, Ciampa uses his momentum to springboard off the ropes using his good leg, only to fly right into a picture-perfect Superkick! Cole follows up with a Florida Key, sending Ciampa crashing into the trash can brought in earlier by the longest-reigning NXT Champion, Cole having thought two steps ahead of his foe. He attempts to bridge into a cover, only for Ciampa to have the wherewithal to kick out, a look of disappointment finding its way onto Cole’s visage. He looks down at his UE dogtag, considering calling for back-up, only to surprisingly opt to go it alone, wanting to make a statement at Ciampa’s expense. After all, this fight is between the two of them and it should stay that way. He heads to the top rope, wanting a Panama Sunrise, but a knee is waiting for him, catching him on the bridge of his nose, Ciampa following up with a PROJECT CIAMPA! He can’t make the cover though, the impact on his bad knee preventing him from doing so.

Not wanting to lose his momentum, Ciampa hauls himself up using the ropes, connecting a Running Knee Strike, followed by a Hanging Flatliner, spiking his foe on the canvas. He ponders about going for Willow’s Bell, only to be struck with even greater inspiration, tearing away the protective padding on the outside, wanting added oomph to the move. He drags Cole to the apron, looking to spike him, only for the UE Leader to frantically escape, driving Ciampa back-first into the announcer’s table, halting him in his tracks. Cole retrieves a lead pipe from under the ring, proceeding to slam it into Ciampa’s gut and back, before taking him onto the announcer’s table. Cole heads to the barricade, leaping for a Panama Sunrise on the doubled-over Ciampa, only to be countered mid-air into a DDT ON THE TABLE! Ciampa takes a few moments to catch his breath, before sitting on the table and clapping like a madman, the crowd roaring in approval. Ciampa gets Cole up, attempting a Fairy Tale Ending, only for Cole to pop out and connect a Superkick! He takes a few steps back, before landing the PANAMA SUNRISE ON THE TABLE! Both men collapse to the floor like a sack of potatoes, exhaustion starting to settle in.

Cole finally manages to take Ciampa back inside the ring, going to wrap things up with a Last Shot, only for Ciampa to fall forwards out of instinct, Cole missing. He spins around and glares at his foe, knowing that could’ve been the winning shot, Ciampa not even able to pull himself up to look Cole in the eyes after the Panama Sunrise he took. Cole crouches and lifts Ciampa’s head up using his beard, before monologuing to him, taunting him about everything he’s taken from him and how tonight will just be another addition to that long list when he takes victory from him. He proceeds to spit in Ciampa’s face, before rebounding off the ropes, going for the Last Shot… only for Ciampa to pop up to his feet and nail him with a Jumping Knee Strike, eyes burning with passion and hatred! He lights Cole up with a Sicilian Barrage, before sending him into the steel chair that was wedged in the corner at the beginning of the match! He drags Cole back into the centre of the ring, connecting a FAIRY TALE ENDING! He doesn’t make the cover though, not done yet with Cole, wanting to deliver a second to make a point. Cole nails a LOW BLOW though, before landing a LAST SHOT! 1…2…KICK OUT!

Cole is in disbelief, checking with the referee to make sure he counted correctly, before turning back to Ciampa, pushing a steel chair against his head and going for another Last Shot! Ciampa throws the chair at Cole though, stunning him, before spiking him on the chair with WILLOW’S BELL! He follows up by threading Cole’s arm through the chair, stomping down on it a few times, before locking in a BRIDGING FUJIWARA! Cole has nowhere to go, doing his best to hold on, but the pain gets to him, COLE TAPPING OUT!

Tommaso Ciampa def. Adam Cole (24:20)

What a war between two of NXT’s best, ending with the Blackheart getting his revenge over the Panama City Playboy, forcing him to tap out! After months of accumulating losses in big matches, Ciampa finally hits his stride again by landing a huge victory over one of his hottest rivals, writing the final chapter as promised. As Cole scampers to the back, Ciampa surveys his surroundings, looking at the carnage, the fans, and then back at himself. This is his home and as long as he’s here, he’s going to continue being the best he can possibly be…

Build to NXT Takeover: WarGames IV + Survivor Series 2020

Notable headlines coming out of Takeover are Ciampa’s rebound win, Lee remaining Double Champion and Kross picking up another dominant victory. A few weeks following Boston, Lee comes out with both his titles draped across his shoulders to cut a promo about his recent upwards trajectory, inviting anyone to take a crack at dethroning him. This prompts the arrival of Ciampa, who’s eyes are glued to Goldie, not bothering to acknowledge the Limitless One until he finally grabs a mic of his own. He brings up how he defeated the longest-reigning NXT Champion in Boston, so that places him next in-line for Lee, not having forgotten about his beloved Goldie for even a second. Lee smirks, before asking the fans whether they’d be interested to see Lee vs Ciampa, resulting in resounding approval all across the board. That is, except for one star who heads out from the back. Karrion Kross. Looking menacing as ever, the Devil of Monterrey heads to the ring with Scarlett trailing behind at ringside, Kross shoving Ciampa out of the way and sizing up Lee instead, clearly no interest in facing Ciampa again. As Lee and Kross butt heads, Ciampa interjects himself, spinning Kross around and telling him unless he’s going for the North American Title, the two of them are going to have problems.

Kross brushes him off, saying he has no quarrel with the Blackheart anymore. Ciampa had his chance to stop Kross but he failed, so he can either get in line behind him and wait his turn or perish. Ciampa takes exception to this, inciting violence with Kross, the two of them getting physical quickly, causing Lee to exorcise his power, pouncing both men out the ring to break things up! He states that he has two championships and would love to face both men, but when it comes to preferences to who he wants to defend his NXT Championship against, he’d rather face the man who came out on top between the two challengers as he only wants the apex to come at one of the most important titles in the world. That isn’t to say that he feels no love for the NA Title though, having held onto it since January, still wanting the next best to come for it, so in that case, Ciampa’s welcome to face him for it. Ciampa opens his mouth to argue but the champion has spoken, so it seems that matters must go beyond words now if he wants any chance at claiming Goldie before Kross.

Thus, Ciampa gets to plotting, rattling his driven mind for ideas as he paces about the locker room, only for his thought process to be interrupted by Dominik Dijakovic, who gives Ciampa a respectful nod for their time fighting alongside each other in WarGames. He questions Ciampa about what’s on his mind, Tommaso flashing him a look as if to say ‘are you serious?’, Dijakovic recoiling with surprise at the sudden attitude. Ciampa goes on anyway, bringing up how after everything he gave Lee, after all the love, friendship and even superstardom, he can’t even pay him back with what he deserves. He’s not looking to be handed anything, but if he must say so himself, he’s done more than enough to prove he should be next in-line for a shot at Lee knows it. Dijakovic counters that Lee still has offered him an opportunity and that he should be grateful for the act of kindness. Ciampa isn’t having any of it though, snapping that Dijakovic has it easy, immediately being handed a shot at both titles the week after Lee won them despite failing to do anything of note in the ring. Dijakovic’s fuse starts to shorten too, exclaiming that he’s just trying to help, at which Ciampa blasts him with a knee, getting into a scrap with his ally, no one around to break things up. Despite Dijakovic’s size and strength, Ciampa’s rage works in his favour, leaving Dominik slumped on the floor, yelling at him that if he really wanted to help, he should’ve been there when Ciampa was getting beat down 4-on-1 by UE, before leaving his once partner in the dust.

As a result of the tensions, Regal sets up a match between the two so that they can settle their issues in the ring whilst also proving just how worthy Ciampa really is of challenging for gold when he can’t even keep himself in check. Lee attempts to stop Dijakovic from wrestling the match, reminding that Ciampa is on their side, but Dijakovic claims he isn’t any longer if he can’t deal with his ego, itching to defend his honour after what Ciampa pulled in the locker room, leaving Lee sighing and shaking his head. Ciampa and Dijakovic wrestle a hard-hitting match, neither man letting up with their attacks, until Ciampa manages to pull away with the victory, connecting a trifecta of Knee Strikes and a Fairy Tale Ending. After the match, Ciampa nails Dijakovic with a Knee Trembler for good measure, sending a message that he’s ready to do whatever it takes to get back to the top. Over the next few weeks, Ciampa finds himself in similar matches where he’s forced to bring the Psycho Killer out of him to secure the victory in gritty battles, tuning up the intensity of his strikes each time, the determination pushing him further and further to inflict more punishment.

However, he eventually gets tired of waiting for Lee to take notice of his performances and award him what he feels he deserves, proceeding to head to the ring one episode with a chair and sit down, declaring that he won’t leave until he receives the answer he’s worked tirelessly for since being robbed in Portland. Lee appears on the stage, stating that he’s been keeping a close eye on Ciampa’s performances, but he hasn’t taken his eyes of Kross either, both men proving their keep. However, with only two championships and two potential challengers, he’s been forced to make the tough decision of who to choose to defend which title against, and his prior decision… stays. He acknowledges Ciampa to be a gifted competitor, but when you compare his performances to Kross’, one simply cannot deny him of the opportunity, especially when also taking into account how Kross vs Ciampa went. Ciampa laughs, but it’s clear he’s losing his temper, the live wire getting ready to spark. Before he can raise his mic to fire back though, Kross appears behind Lee, locking him in the Kross Jacket and choking him out, pouncing on the opportunity he’s been granted. Once Lee falls limp, Kross picks up the NXT Title and raises it high with a malicious smirk, potentially a sign of things to come. Ciampa is bristling with fury, but he has no time to address Kross either, as Lee isn’t the only one with someone hunting him down, Ciampa getting spun around from behind… AND DROPPED WITH AN RKO! RANDY ORTON IS HERE IN NXT! Orton cackles as he stares at the fallen Ciampa, before slithering back out of the ring and into the shadows, having sent his message.

As a result of Orton’s untimely appearance, Ciampa is forced to take a detour from hunting down Lee, instead finding an Apex Predator on the loose, the hunter becoming the hunted. With Brand Warfare on the horizon, Orton has fired the first arrow, but it doesn’t come without a receipt, as on RAW, following Orton picking up a victory, he’s attacked by Ciampa! The Psycho Killer nails Orton with a Knee Trembler and a Project Ciampa, leaving the Viper lying, before retreating into the shadows the same way Orton did. Ciampa cuts a promo on Orton, stating that he knows exactly who Orton is and his agenda, but the problem is that sentiment doesn’t seem to mutual because Orton fails to understand what he’s gotten himself into. He’s Tommaso Ciampa, greatest NXT Champion of all time and flagbearer for the best wrestling brand in the world, and was on his way to winning back Goldie when Orton decided to stick his nose where it doesn’t belong. In fact, it isn’t even the first time, Ciampa laughing that he showed the Viper mercy earlier in the year, but he knows better than to trust a snake to not bite again, so how about Ciampa defangs Orton at Survivor Series?

Orton comes out from the back, flanked by security to prevent the RAW superstar from causing any damage to NXT, proceeding to slap his leg so as to clap for Ciampa’s promo. He points to the titantron, which reveals a picture of Orton RKO’ing Ciampa in last year’s Survivor Series match, before asking him if he knows what he’s getting himself into. Ciampa smirks at the comment, clenching and relaxing his fist as if getting ready to strike, but he simply reaffirms his challenge for Survivor Series. Orton raises a brow, thinking he had Ciampa where he wanted him, but chuckles that Ciampa didn’t walk into his trap. He accepts Ciampa’s challenge, before dropping his mic and going for an RKO regardless through the security, but Ciampa manages to pull back in time, instead lashing out with a Jumping Knee Strike, knowing Orton’s opinion on them, Orton this time slithering out of harm’s way to ringside, slapping his leg as he backs away, wanting to get into Ciampa’s head as much as he can.

In Ciampa’s preoccupancy with the incoming threat of Orton, the weeks fly by until Takeover is right around the corner, Lee not receiving a response from Ciampa in regards to challenging for the North American Title. Thus, Lee beckons Ciampa to join him and give his word, the Psycho Killer circling the ring as he measures the Double Champ, before entering the ring to stand face-to-face with him. Lee reminds him that it’s either the NA Title or nothing, Ciampa’s final flickers of hope dying away. However, for the sake of Goldie, he has to deal with the cards he’s dealt and find another way back to the apex, and that way goes down the road of becoming NA Champ. Perhaps that way he can do what Lee did, claiming both titles for himself. Lee extends his hand to Ciampa, who accepts with a tight grip, determined to overcome the Limitless One.

NXT Takeover: WarGames IV

The next step on the path to reclaiming Goldie for Ciampa goes through Lee and it’s kicking off the night in front of a hot Chicago crowd! If Ciampa wins, not only does he become the new NA Champ, but he also becomes NXT’s 3rd Triple Crown Winner, so the stakes are high heading into the contest. The two men make their respective entrances before sizing each other up, Lee surprisingly calm despite having to compete later in the night against Kross too, this night perhaps the biggest gamble in his career, eligible to lose both titles, but not after two impressive reigns. The bell rings and we are underway!

Tommaso Ciampa vs Keith Lee – NXT North American Championship

Lee wastes little time going on the offensive, wanting to finish Ciampa off as quickly so he’s as fresh as possible for his match with Kross. Ciampa invites the hot start, the two men trading blows from the get go. Lee swings for a Lariat, Ciampa ducking under and lighting Lee up with a series of slaps and knees. Lee powers through the storm, pushing Ciampa into the ropes, wanting an early Spirit Bomb, but Ciampa holds onto the ropes, low-bridging as Lee comes for him, sending him out to the floor. Lee returns to the apron, only for Ciampa to test the waters for a Willow’s Bell, Lee re-entering the ring and pouncing his challenger into the far corner! Lee lands a Corner Splash, followed by a Grizzly Mangum that knocks the soul out of the Blackheart, before attempting a Powerslam. Ciampa slips out, firing off a combination of knees to double Lee over, followed by a knee to the face and a Lariat, only for Lee to absorb the blow, still standing! Ciampa tries again with the Lariat but Lee tanks through it again, forcing Ciampa to add a Discus to the third attempt, though he’s stopped mid-spin with an elbow to the back of the head, followed by a Discus Punch! He Biel Tosses Ciampa across the ring, leaving the Psycho Killer to regroup on the other side of the ring.

Ciampa blasts Lee with a kick to the face, followed by a Jumping Knee Strike, but he’s unable to bring the larger man down with a DDT attempt. Lee instead hooks Ciampa for a Delayed Vertical Suplex, lifting him perpendicular to the canvas, only for Ciampa to respond with a knee to the temple, before transferring all his falling momentum into a massive Suplex of his own! Finally flooring Lee, Ciampa keeps the advantage up, doing everything he can to prevent Lee from getting back to his feet, whether it be the patented knee strikes or stinging slaps, he throws it at Lee. The Limitless One doesn’t find himself on his back for too long though, catching an incoming Knee Strike and proceeding to land a Gorilla Press Drop! He follows up with a Belly-to-Back Suplex, sending Ciampa crashing back down to the mat once again, before going high-risk, attempting a Doomsault! Ciampa gets under him before he can soar though, pulling Lee free of the ropes with an Air Raid Crash off the middle! Lee still has fight in his gas tank though, wanting more from Ciampa, who obliges with a Psycho Kutter, but Lee kicks out! Both men slug it out with open palm strikes, until Lee receives a sudden rush of energy from all the blows, dealing Ciampa a deluge of strikes that leave his chest red!

With Ciampa stunned, Lee connects a Spirit Bomb! 1…2…KICK OUT! Ciampa’s still in it! Ciampa channels all his accumulated frustration from the past year since returning and lets it all out on Lee, landing knee after knee, slap after slap, chop after chop! Lee tries to cancel his groove with a Big Bang Catastrophe attempt, only to eat a Bicycle Knee Strike, followed by a giant Release German Suplex, the whole ring shaking from the impact of Lee meeting it! Now in the dying embers of the match, Ciampa goes to the corner, connecting the #DIY Knee Strike, before hooking Lee in position for a Fairy Tale Ending! Lee breaks free though, landing a last gasp Headbutt that rocks Ciampa… Ciampa hangs on, retorting with one of his own! And another! A third! Unrelenting shots from the Blackheart! He heads back to the corner, before sprinting in for a Knee Strike, and then landing yet another one to the side of Lee’s head! He gets Lee back in position… FAIRY TALE ENDING! He picks Lee back up though, yelling that this one’s for Goldie, landing a SECOND FAIRY TALE ENDING! 1…2…3!

Tommaso Ciampa def. Keith Lee (c) to win the NXT North American Championship (15:32)

NEW CHAMPION! CIAMPA IS A TRIPLE CROWN WINNER! The referee hands Ciampa his newly earned gold, who stares at it with a mix of emotions. It isn’t the one he wanted but it’s perhaps the one he needed to restart his ascension. Lee’s crushed that his reign finally came to an end, but nonetheless, ever the sportsman, he extends his hand to Ciampa, who accepts. His eyes aren’t on Lee though, instead staring right at the gold dangling from his hand, before whispering to Goldie that Daddy’s coming. As Lee heads to the back, Ciampa holds his gold up high, only to be dropped from out of nowhere with an RKO, Orton sending a message to Ciampa as he poses over his body, ready for tomorrow.

Survivor Series 2020

Whilst still retaining the Brand Warfare aspects, this year’s Survivor Series moves away from the Triple Threat formula, instead allowing singles dream matches to take place across the brands. Heading into his bout, Ciampa is still sore after his match with Lee whilst Orton is completely fresh, the differences evident as both men make their way down to the ring. Ciampa still keeps his head held high though, knowing he has the task of being NXT’s flagbearer, not wanting to let the brand down, whilst Orton nonchalantly slithers about the ring, the only thing mattering to him being winning.

Tommaso Ciampa vs Randy Orton

Unlike the high-octane clash between Ciampa and Lee, this match is wrestled more to Orton’s standards, who takes a slow, methodical approach to dissecting Ciampa, the new NA Champ on the backfoot in the early goings due to being tired from the previous night. Orton goes for his vintage offense, the likes of the Garvin Stomp, Scoop Powerslam, and Inverted Headlock Backbreaker, but the match experiences a power shift when Orton goes for the Hangman DDT, Ciampa instead pulling himself back to the apron and connecting one on Orton right onto the hardest part of the ring! Ciampa brings a bit of an NXT flair to the match to counteract Orton’s methods, speeding up the pace and putting it all on the line for the victory. In the end, Orton’s calculated dismantling of Ciampa almost hands him the victory, but it’s Ciampa’s resilience that shines through in the end, preventing an RKO attempt and instead landing a Project Ciampa for 1…2…3!

Tommaso Ciampa def. Randy Orton (14:55)

Despite Orton’s best efforts, Ciampa was the better man, getting one back over the Viper after everything he did to try and break down the Blackheart. After the match, Orton teases slapping his leg again in congratulations of Ciampa’s victory, only to pat him on the back in a show of respect for Ciampa hanging in there with him. After a crushing loss to Kross back in June, Ciampa is finally riding the highs once again, a victor once more…
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2020.07.15 18:58 familyoftina Just learned my family was the victim of a "cultic" murder mystery from 1997

TLDR

In 1997, when I was 9, my 2nd cousin who was 19 was murdered.
Her murderer tried to throw off police by making it look like a cult murder by carving a strange symbol into her body.
The police think they know who the suspect is but 24 years later and still no arrest.
Her mother just died a few weeks ago never having closure. I'm trying to renew interest in the case.

Intro

I'll try to make this short.
I feel bad as I've been meaning to post this since I found out, but life gets in the way.
I live near Fort Smith, Arkansas.
A few weeks ago my mom told me about a family member being admitted to hospice.
I'm an only child and my mom is from a family of 5. So she's used to keeping track of everybody.
She mentioned "Yea, they never figured out about who killed Sandra's daughter, Tina...it's sad."
I was curious and that's when she showed me this newspaper clipping she had saved.

Quick Facts

Other information

Tina's dad is still alive though I'm not sure I've ever met him. But I've heard he's worked his whole life trying to solve this.
I think the most frustrating thing is that this article was published 4 years after it happened and the DA even THEN said:
" It is safe to say that we have a suspect, but our evidence is insufficient to go forth with the prosecution, and I am not in a position to publicly identify the suspect.”
And 23 years later still nothing.
I figured the least I could do was post it here and ask the reddit community for their insight.
I don't expect miracles but I figure it's worth a shot.

Relations

Tina = Victim
Chad = Boyfriend
Sandra = Tina's mother
Max = Tina's father
Debbie = Max's 2nd s.o./gf
Jeannie = Max's 3rd s.o./gf
Me = 2nd cousin to Tina

Timeline

1994
May 1996
August 1997
October 1997
November 3rd 1997
2001

Unofficial list of suspects

Chad Franks (Boyfriend)
Items of note
Debbie (Max's 2nd SO/GF)
Items of note

Present Day Communication

07/14/2020
After posting this, my mom talked with Sandra's sister.
"Now Max's wife Jeannie I feel in no way she was involved. I have met her and spent nights at their house when they lived in Florida.
Now the ex of Max's was a woman named Debbie. Now she was a suspect at a time I believe. I did meet her and she was jealous of Tina's relationship with Max, I feel. But she has since died in a car wreck. I have always felt it was her that did it. But the sheriff's office kept saying no concrete evidence but Max even believed it was her."
07/15/2020
Another message from Sandra's sister to my mom.
"I can't remember if she [Debbie] had a alibi, I will look in my papers tomorrow, ( [redacted] is asleep, he works nights ) I can't get to them right now.
As far as I know the autopsy report showed gunshot wounds"

The story from the 2001 article

Four years ago today, (Nov 3, 1997) the partly clothed body of Tina Michelle Payton, 19, was found on the living room floor of the farm house on DeKalb County 104 between Geraldine and Crossville that she shared with her fiance.
Payton had been shot in the hand, in the chest and in the head with a .38- or .357-caliber pistol. On her lower abdomen, carved with a knife or other sharp instrument, was a pattern of lines that appeared to form a cryptic symbol.
The gunshot through Payton’s hand was what investigators called a “defensive wound” because it appeared that she had grabbed the gun that killed her.
The doors were locked and there were no signs of forced entry. Payton lay on her back, nude below the waist, with the symbol clearly visible to anyone who entered the room.
The orderly appearance of Payton’s body and the symbol standing out against her skin led homicide detectives and the state pathologist to the same conclusion - that the woman’s killer had put her body on display and arranged the scene for maximum visual effect.
“The symbol was clean, not bloody,”
District Attorney Mike O’Dell said.
“It was clearly intended to be seen. Somebody meant to send a message.”
From that first day, investigators began a dual quest - to find Payton’s killer and to find the meaning of the symbol the killer had left as a signature.
They sent pictures of the symbol to experts in satanic worship, gang culture and tribal rituals.
Copies made it onto the Internet, and responses came in from many parts of the world.
In spite of hundreds of leads, investigators still do not know what the symbol means, if anything.
And in spite of a four-year investigation that has led to at least four states, nobody has yet been charged with the murder.
The house where Payton was killed had been her home for only about three months.
Her father, Max Payton, had bought the house and five acres in 1994 after he retired from the Air Force.
Payton, Max Payton’s daughter from a previous marriage, moved there in August 1997 from Sallisaw, Okla., where her mother lives and where she graduated from high school in 1996.
Her father said she had come “to start a new life.”
She took a job as a cashier at Geraldine Super Value.
Payton continued to live in the house after her father took a job at Tyndall Air Force Base in Panama City, Fla.
Less than a month before the slaying, Chad Franks, 22, moved from Sallisaw to live with Payton.
The two had had a lengthy on-off relationship, friends in Sallisaw said.
“Tina and Chad planned to get married,” Max Payton said.
“I was going to give them the farm, but I never got a chance to tell her.”
It was Franks who found Payton’s body, when he returned from his second day on the job at a mobile home factory in Boaz.
He said he had left at 6:15 a.m. and returned at 4:18 p.m. Pathologists estimated that Payton died at 9 a.m.
Sallisaw is in the heart of Indian country, and Franks is a Cherokee Indian.
Those facts first led investigators to think that the symbol could have some ritual significance in Indian culture, and that Payton’s death may have resulted from trouble that had followed her and Franks from Oklahoma.
Franks was taken into police custody the same day that he reported Payton’s death and was questioned for several days.
He was released without charges and attended services for Payton in Oklahoma, where she was returned for burial.
Investigators say Franks later joined his parents in the Midwest.
Four years after Payton’s slaying, both her father and DeKalb County prosecutors have a single strong suspect in mind, but said they do not have enough evidence to put anybody in jail.
Yet.
Since the slaying, investigators have narrowed their search and discounted some earlier theories.
They no longer believe the case is tied to Oklahoma or to the occult.
And although an empty condom wrapper was found beside Payton’s body, O’Dell said she had not been sexually assaulted.
“We have come to the conclusion that this was not a gang or cult symbol, but that it had specific meaning to the perpetrator,” O’Dell said.
“This was not a random act, but an attack directed specifically at Tina Payton, probably by someone she knew.”
O’Dell said the case has remained active and that he and Sheriff Cecil Reed discuss the case with their investigators often.
“This case has gnawed at us since it happened,”
O’Dell said.
“It is safe to say that we have a suspect, but our evidence is insufficient to go forth with prosecution, and I am not in a position to publicly identify the suspect.”
Max Payton is also frustrated that his daughter’s killer has not been caught.
“Every time I see those crime shows on television where modern forensics solve cases with almost no evidence to go on, I get angry all over again,”
Payton said.
“I think more should have been done in all this time.It’s been four years.”
O’Dell said he shares those frustrations.
He said Payton has been very helpful in the investigation, traveling from Florida several times to meet with detectives on the case.
“We have a lot of circumstantial evidence, but I don’t want this case to turn out like O.J. Simpson’s,”
O’Dell said.
“I am not going to charge and risk that the guilty person will get away. I want a conviction.”
O’Dell said his office has prosecuted about 30 homicides in DeKalb and Cherokee counties since Payton’s slaying, keeping investigators busy.
“We have been overwhelmed just with new cases, but that is about to change,”
O’Dell said.
“We now have time to sit down and re-evaluate the Payton case, to see if there is anything there we’ve been missing.”
O’Dell said he thinks investigators are getting close to breaking the case, by uncovering new information and by finding witnesses who know something about the case that they have not reported.
“I am confident that we will have enough to bring this case before a jury soon,”
O’Dell said.
Meanwhile, Max Payton is planning to come home to Alabama.
He has sold the Sand Mountain house where Tina was killed to a neighboring poultry farmer and bought a house and acreage on Lookout Mountain in Cherokee County.
He and his wife, Jeannie, plan to move here from Florida by spring.
“I want to move back close to home and I want to get some new interest in Tina’s case,”
he said.
“She meant more to me than anything in the world, and I want the person who took her from me to be brought to justice.”
Gov. Don Siegelman has offered a $5,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of Tina Payton’s killer.
Anyone having information is asked to call the case agent, investigator Clay Simpson, at the DeKalb County Sheriff’s Department, (256) 845-8562.

1998 article updated in 2019

SALLISAW -- Sandy Williams visits her daughter's gravesite regularly.
She wants to put a fence around the marker and maybe get a tombstone up there soon, but the weather has made it impossible to do much. ``It's been tough with all the rain,'' she said.
This week marks the first anniversary since her daughter, Tina Payton, was found shot to death at her home in Crossville, Ala. The 19-year-old Payton had recently moved to Alabama from Sallisaw, where she grew up.
The slaying attracted international attention because of a strange symbol that had been carved into Payton's abdomen.
Investigators in Alabama have yet to determine what the symbol means.
For Williams and Max Payton, Tina's father, that is the least of the mysteries related to their daughter's killing.
Their biggest questions have remained the same since Nov. 3, 1997 -- who killed her, and why haven't law officers moved more quickly to make an arrest?
DeKalb County, Ala., sheriff's investigators say they have made the case a priority in their office, yet Sheriff
Cecil Reed acknowledged that they don't have much to show for it. They have no murder weapon, no idea what the symbol means and not much hope so far of making any arrest stick.
It's this perceived lack of movement that has frustrated Williams and Max Payton.
They said investigators in Crossville kept talking for months about how close they were to nailing down the case. Now, Tina's parents said,they can hardly get the Sheriff's Office to call them back.
``To me, they're dragging their feet,'' said Williams, who lives in Sallisaw. ``They were saying they were 99.9 percent sure they knew who did it, and yet they haven't made an arrest. I want to know why.''
Max Payton said he has the same question. However, he also wants the sheriff's investigators to move carefully so they won't jeopardize the case.
``They have a prime suspect,'' said Payton, who lives in Panama City, Fla.
``I've been told that by (investigator) Clayburn Simpson and by the sheriff.'' Simpson said in May that the probe had focused on a single suspect but that an arrest would have to wait until after forensics test results returned sometime during the summer.
``I hope very shortly that I can tell you we've made an arrest and who it is,'' he said then. Six months later, the forensics results are back, but investigators have no more evidence than they did before.
Reed said his office has not turned up any weapons or any additional tips that would lead to a break in the case.
``We don't have any hard-core evidence,'' he said.
Deputies arrested Payton's boyfriend, Chad Frank, early in the investigation. Frank was released after several days because investigators said he had an alibi.
Reed said solving Payton's murder is his office's highest priority. Even so, the sheriff said he understands her parents' frustration.
``I would be, too,'' he said. ``I'm frustrated with not having a shred of evidence.''
Reed pointed to another recent murder investigation in his county as reason for optimism in Payton's case. His officers made an arrest this summer in connection with a 1995 double slaying.
``So we never give up,'' he said. ``As long as I'm sheriff, this case will not put on a back burner.''
Payton's parents, meanwhile, want to keep her memory front and center. They both recalled a daughter who loved life and was excited by her prospects in Alabama.
``She had gotten a job there in Crossville at a little grocery store, and she really enjoyed her job,'' Max Payton said. ``Tina was an outgoing-type person who loved being with people.''
As the anniversary of her death rolled around, Tina's parents, who are divorced, dealt with her memory in their own ways. Williams tended to her daughter's gravesite, while Max Payton tried to think more about his daughter's living milestones, like her birthday.
``It's not something to celebrate,'' he said of the date of her death.
But it's something he certainly will not forget. Investigators may have reached a standstill in finding Tina's killer, he said, but anyone who knows anything about the crime has a responsibility to make a stand.
``There's a murderer on the loose,'' he said.

My opinion on the symbols

I put this last because it's just my opinion, it doesn't matter much. My personal opinion is that the person who killed her didn't even know why they carved those symbols into her body. Maybe as an afterthought?
Maybe they were trying to make their murder more "sophisticated" than they originally intended? The investigators said it was clearly "on display". But why?
If it has no real discernable meaning? "Art" maybe?
Maybe to frame the native American side of the family?
In the research I've done about this case since learning about it, I think the killer succeeded in what they meant to do with it: to throw people off and send them down a rabbit hole.
Just my first gut feeling of speculation.

References

Other items of note

Updates:

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2020.07.15 10:02 Joltie Football Manager 2020 Youth Intake Interval Dates for Top Division Clubs per country

Searching for the Youth Intake dates in FM2020 gets nothing but the usual lazy "It's randomized" without any further elaboration, so I decided to take it upon myself to see the interval dates from which clubs of most important countries actually have youth intake days, so if someone other than me is interested, they'll know when to start looking.
Keep in mind that this is solely based on a single 6-European & 2 S.American League 2033 save game file that I'm using, so I cannot guarantee 100% certainty.
Some caveats that I've seen:
  1. If the nation has no selected leagues in your game, and doesn't have a significant influence in your game's player database, usually most 1st Division teams of that country will have their youth intakes within 3 days of the Youth Intake Date Start. However, if your game has a country's leagues, it can take up to 4 weeks for all the top division clubs to have their Youth Intake Days. Lower division clubs (or rather clubs with poorer youth infrastructure, more on that below) begin their Youth Intake Days roughly around the same date that the Top Division ones finish and it progresses downwards into the amateur levels, depending on how many leagues you have of that country.
  2. What I noticed is that the order by the teams have their Youth Intake Day follows how good their Youth Recruitment is compared to other clubs in that country from the leagues you have running on the game, so in truth in a country where you have a large database for your game, if a lower division club has outstanding youth infrastructure, it may very well be among those to get a Youth Intake in the first few days. Case in point: Belenenses, which is in the third Portuguese tier, got its youth intake in the second day, after the best academies in Portugal (Benfica, Sporting, Porto, and a couple others)

Yearly Youth Intake Earliest Date Start Countries
2/1 USA
16/1 Colombia
17/1 Uruguay
5/2 Norway
23/2 Russia
27/2 Mexico
3/3 Austria
5/3 Serbia
6/3 Indonesia
9/3 Croatia, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Israel, Poland, Switzerland, Turkey
14/3 England, N. Ireland, Scotland, Wales
16/3 Ukraine
18/3 Slovakia
19/3 Belgium, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Denmark, Italy, Portugal, Romania, Slovenia,
26/3 Holland
29/3 Spain
3/4 India, South Africa
8/4 Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Anguilla, Antigua and Barbuda, Aruba, Azerbaijan, Bahrain, Belize, Bermuda, Bosnia, Botswana, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cameroon, Cape Verde, Cayman Islands, Chad, Costa Rica, Curaçao, Dominica, DR Congo, Egypt, Gabon, Gibraltar, Guadeloupe, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Iran, Iraq, Ivory Coast, Jordan, Kenya, Kosovo, Lebanon, Libya, Luxembourg, Malta, Martinique, Mauritania, Mauritius, Mayotte, Montenegro, Montserrat, Morocco, Namibia, New Zealand, Nicaragua, Niger, North Macedonia, Oman, Palestine, Panama, Qatar, San Marino, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Somalia, St. Kitts & Nevis, St. Martin, Syria, Tahiti, Tanzania, Togo, Trinidad & Tobago, Tunisia, Uganda, US Virgin Is., Yemen, Zanzibar
20/4 Hong Kong
1/8 or 2/8 Malaysia
14/8 Iceland
18/8 or 19/8 Finland
3/9 Sweden
14/9 Australia, China
15/9 South Korea
21/9 Afghanistan, Barbados, Benin, Bolivia, Brazil, British Virgin Is., Brunei, Canada, CAR, Chinese Taipei, Comoros, Congo, Cuba, Dominican Republic, Ecuador, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Faroe Islands, Fiji, French Guyana, Georgia, Ghana, Grenada, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Japan, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Liberia, Macau, Madagascar, Malawi, Mali, Moldova, Mozambique, New Caledonia, Nigeria, North Korea, Papua New Guinea, Paraguay, Peru, Philippines, Puerto Rico, Sao Tome & Principe, Sri Lanka, St. Lucia, St. Vincent, Sudan, The Gambia, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Venezuela, Vietnam, Zambia, Zimbabwe
30/9 Chile
8/11 Argentina
So if on a certain year, by that specific day, there is no youth intake in that country, the next day some club should have a youth intake day, otherwise it is unlikely that there will be a club in that country doing a Youth intake day.
So now every time that the date is rolling over, keep an eye out for the Youth Intake screen of those countries and now you have more tools to attempt to poach fantastic players while they are young.
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2020.07.04 06:28 SimonBRUH8217 NXT Takeover: In Your House

Six Woman Tag Team match: Mia Yim, Tegan Nox And Shotzi Blackheart def. Candace LeRae, Dakota Kai And Raquel Gonzalez, Grade: B-
This was decent enough as a show opener, but it was also super botchy for a good chunk of it. I can’t help but feel like the next match would’ve been a stronger start, and that the heels needed the win more, but as a match it was just fine and it still progressed storylines like Kai vs Nox and LeRae vs Yim.
Singles match: Finn Balor def. Damian Priest, Grade: A-
Many people’s match of the night and for good reason, Priest and Balor went full speed from beginning to end and had a KILLER spot(Death by steel steps on Priest’s back) that also proved to make Damian look good in defeat while also asserting Balor as dominant.
NXT North American Championship match: Keith Lee(c) def. Johnny Gargano, Grade: B+
While this match was definitely a step down from both men’s previous Takeover efforts, this was still a match with great storytelling and excellent nearfalls. Lee played an excellent Superman babyface to Johnny’s chickenshit heel, and it made moments like Gargano running away to the door, the BRUTAL pounce through the boards, the series of Superkick nearfalls, and Lee’s eventual hulk up win all the more sweet. It definitely went long, but it was still entertaining.
NXT Championship Backlot Brawl: Adam Cole(c) def. Velveteen Dream, Grade: C-
The worst “cinematic” match to date in my opinion. I love both Cole and Dream and they did the best job they could with what they were given, but that doesn’t change the fact that what they were given was an average, poorly filmed Brawl segment with underwhelming spots and rushed pacing. A few good moments, like Cole’s fall off the ladder, Lumis showing up and the BEAUTIFUL Panama Sunrise onto the chairs can’t save this from being a hard miss overall.
Singles match: Karrion Kross def. Tomasso Ciampa, Grade: B+
This match was exactly what it should have been, and it was thoroughly entertaining. Ciampa And Kross are god tier sellers for one another and the 5 minutes they had proved to be a hard hitting brawl with a shock finish that worked so well. Kross is getting the rocket strapped to him, and if his matches are this fun, that’s a very good thing.
NXT Women’s Championship Triple Threat: Io Shirai def. Charlotte Flair(c) and Rhea Ripley, Grade: A
I am so, so happy these three main evented over the Backlot match. Flair, Shirai and Ripley told an EXCELLENT story throughout, showing Flair’s overconfidence during the match slow turning to desperation, nearly costing her to the point where she had to resort to a Kendo stick to retain her title, proving that she was wrong about the NXT Women’s division. There were some botches near the beginning, and Io pinning Rhea instead of Charlotte isn’t exactly ideal, but those are the only few flaws I have, this match was fast paced, well told and had the 100% right winner, making it one of my favourite matches of the year so far.
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2020.06.25 01:04 blorpoo 9/11 in Metal Gear and How it Happened

Okay, so we know 9/11 happened within Metal Gear based on what Sundowner tells Raiden in 2018. The question is: How?
If you look at the timeline, it makes absolutely no sense for there to be a massive terrorist attack on the United States on September 11, 2001. Metal Gear 2 and Metal Gear Solid - set in 1999 and 2005, respectively - tell us that the world is pretty okay during that timeframe. There's still wars and shit indicated by both Sundowner's backstory and the fact that "Gulf War syndrome" was coined a term, but overall nothing that would indicate that there's been some world-altering attack on American soil by foreign agents.
Now, go back a few decades to the prequel games and think about Camp Omega. The big elephant in the room during Ground Zeroes is that a torture camp like this just would not exist in that way without a 9/11-style terrorist attack. That's why the real life equivalent was set up in 2002. This leads me to believe that something must have happened prior to when it was established in "the 1970's" that would change all that.
Let's go back to Sundowner for a moment. He specifically mentioned the Invasion of Panama and the Gulf War as conflicts he was involved in as part of the US military. He's also unambiguously a soldier during the time when 9/11 must have happened, both because he mentions Iraq and Afghanistan as well as how fondly he seems to remember it.
That doesn't mean that these are the only conflicts he was part of, however. I think we can all agree Sundowner seems to be on the older side of things. He's bald, he's got wrinkles, he fights like a brute compared to his more agile teammates and Raiden. Late 40's to mid 50's at the bare minimum, right?
So, if we consider his backstory, he's supposed to have joined the military basically right after high school since he didn't have money for college. We'll say he's 18 for the sake of the argument give or take a couple of years of bumming around his hometown working at a mechanic shop or a gas station or something. For the sake of the argument, I'm putting him at maybe 1955 or so. He dropped out of the military and joined a PMC around 2008, meaning he'd be about 53 by that point, a respectable age to retire from active duty if you're going above and beyond but not so old that he wouldn't still be able to fight if he wanted to (and he definitely wanted to). If we take 2014 as the earliest date the common PMC population could get cyborg enhancements following the destruction of The Patriots, that would put him at 59 at the youngest when he was converted into a cyborg, pretty in line with his appearance.
Going back in time to Camp Omega, we know it would have to have existed since at least 1974 as Paz and Chico were taken there in 1975 (and Big Boss may or may not have visited the camp in 1974 if we take the side-ops as literally happening in Camp Omega instead of just a similar facility). This means that any point in 1973 or earlier would be a valid date for a terrorist attack like 9/11 as it took around a year for them to start up the real life equivalent.
Returning to Sundowner, if we accept he was born sometime around 1955, that means he'd be exactly 18 in 1973, the perfect age to enlist and fight in a War on Terror. With all this in mind, I propose that the Metal Gear equivalent to 9/11 did, in fact, happen on September 11, but in 1973 instead of 2001.
But here's where things get interesting. Who would have done the attack? It couldn't be anyone in the Middle East. We know as much since, in 1984, the United States is still backing and training the Mujaheddin given Kaz's involvement in Afghanistan prior to the start of Phantom Pain. You bet your ass the US would pull out of there like lightning if they had evidence any group in that region attacked America regardless of if they were also fighting the Soviets. And there's your answer right there: The Soviets did 9/11.
But that's not the end of the story. We know that Snake and Liquid were born in 1972, right? And at some point during that time, Big Boss learns about Less Infants Terrible and leaves The Patriots, at which point Zero renames them into Cipher and starts relying on Skull Face and XOF more.
The thing about that is that Skull Face has always wanted to usurp Zero. We also know that XOF is in charge of Camp Omega. So wouldn't it just be so convenient if there was suddenly a major terrorist attack on US soil that justified Skull Face getting a lot more power and freedom to do as he liked with XOF, consented to by both the government and Zero?
Therefore, I hold that the 1973 version of Metal Gear's 9/11 was a false flag operation undertaken by Skull Face and XOF posing as Soviet soldiers in order to seize more power and autonomy while fanning the flames of conflict between the US and USSR for his own ends.
Yes, the real answer is that the plot of the series has never been coherent and has had to try and predict the about five years into the future every single game and that Kojima probably didn't expect 9/11 to happen when he had Liquid ranting about how the world's gone soft in the far off year of 2005 because no one goes to war anymore. And, yes, I know the timeline at the end of Phantom Pain and shit already says all of the Bush presidency happened under Solidus despite that not really making any sense. Just pretend that there was a 9/11 Part 2 in 2001 since the cycle of violence and repeated events where no one learns anything are kind of a big part of the series' themes. This is just more fun to think about than to just write it off.
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